13 October 2022

Sack them. Just clear the lot of them out. Dump them in the Tiber to worship Pachamama.

I recall the intelligent hope of Benedict XVI that the "two forms" of the Roman Rite (the poor thing never had a  Roche to correct his double vision) would coalesce. I'm a moderate and eirenic sort of chap, so I thought that (although this may not be not strictly legal) I would use the Novus Ordo proper texts this year in my (of course) Authentic Use Mass for S John Henry Newman. So I got them up on my computer screen, and had an open-minded look at them.

I try always to be positive.

Oh dear ... ... several times over ... ... dearie me ... off to the fridge for a White Lady ...

Here is the Latin of the (Roche?) Post communionem:

Domine, laetantes de Christo, Pane vita, nuper suscepto, in hac festivitate beati Ioannis Henrici, supplices deprecamur ut, numquam, cordibus intactis, animos moventes, testimonium nostrum magis magisque certum fier valeat.

I presume that Pane vita is a typo for Pane vitae.

I presume that fier is a typo for fieri. 

So you may care to correct those two sweet little howlers before I go on to make my main proposal.

Done that?


Now see if you can make any grammatical sense of the section from deprecamur to the end. 

I certainly can't. At least, not unless I adopt the usage so often used by eight year olds who have been poorly taught, the Nominative Absolute.  

Perhaps we should rename it the Roche Absolute?

[Here is the English crib: O Lord, as we rejoice to receive Christ, the living Bread, on this feast day of Saint John Henry Newman, so may our witness be made more real, never moving minds without touching hearts.] 

I'll never flirt again with any idea of ever going within a million miles of that gross "Unicus Usus" PF refers to, even with incendiary devices and armour-plated rosaries. I rigidly promise! And I beg readers to flog mercilessly pupils whose grammar falls as low as this.

We must stamp out this vile thing!




Albertus said...

Thank you for enlightening us, Father. An excellent reason to stick to the goog old Commune Confessoris Pontificis of Missale Romanum.

E sapelion said...

What does Google make of that :-
Lord, rejoicing in Christ, the Bread of life, recently received, on this feast of blessed John Henry, we beseech the supplicants that, never, with hearts untouched, souls moved, our testimony may become more and more certain.
Oh dear! a larger nightcap needed (Marsala I think) than usual !

Wynn said...

"may our witness be made more real, never moving minds without touching hearts."
And there I was naïvely imagining that some of the Common Worship texts plumbed the depths of banality.

David J Critchley said...

Where does this antithesis between cor and animus come from? A brief search suggests that one is much more likely to find corde et animo, meaning whole-heartedly. Are we now operating on the assumption that the world is divided into dryasdust rationalists, who can do no good, and the 'emotionally literate,' who can do no wrong?

And what of our testimonium, which becomes magis magisque certum? A witness statement is either reliable or it is not. It cannot become more reliable. More persuasive, or more widely accepted, yes, that is possible. Are we confusing the objective truth of the testimony with the subjective issue of its acceptance?

dunstan said...

My distinguished Latin teacher, Mr. Mathew Spencer, set me an exercise translating a couple of paragraphs of Traditiones Custodis. He said that the Latin was rather elegant. So perhaps they should not ALL be sacked, at least not on linguistic grounds, though of course there are certainly other grounds for collective defenestration.
Fr Simon Heans

Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosque said...

The revolutionaries during Vatican Two (not after) overturned the then existing order and substituted a new order (one could almost say it is a Novus Ordo).

What was oonce condemned became the praxis of the progressives in The Prelature.


15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. — Allocution “Maxima quidem,” June 9, 1862; Damnatio “Multiplices inter,” June 10, 1851.

16. Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. — Encyclical “Qui pluribus,” Nov. 9, 1846.

17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. — Encyclical “Quanto conficiamur,” Aug. 10, 1863, etc.

18. Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. — Encyclical “Noscitis,” Dec. 8, 1849.

From the Assisi abomination to the latest travels and travails of Bergoglio, who travels all over Hell and half of Georgia shredding Tradition and advancing indifferentism, and Bergoglio seems to be leading the Faithful to a new Christ;

And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.
Going therefore, talk with them, learn from them, and accompany mortal sinners, watching all things whatsoever they do and behold, you can do what they do even to the consummation of the world. It's all good,

armyarty said...

Oh, father, you should ALWAYS remember, that there is ONE rule that applies in all sorts of situations, with liturgy and serious drinking being two powerful examples: More might sometimes be better, but you should ALWAYS avoid mixing.