22 August 2016

Adrian Fortescue

A kind friend has alerted me to a fine piece on the blog Eastern Christian Books (August 12), with regard to the use and overuse of the Petrine munus docendi. It ends with a good quote from Adrian Fortescue.

Adam deVille, unlike some people, is never boring and never talks nonsense.

We should never forget that there are some very level-headed chaps over there in the Byzantine Rite sui iuris Churches. Perhaps, after Cardinal Sarah, it will be time for a Byzantine-rite pope. It would be quite like being back in the first millennium, wouldn't it, to be having African and Greek popes again.

I must read that blog more regularly.

Eirene pasin.


Woody said...

Eastern Christian Books alerts one to the most interesting material, and I end up buying a lot from its convenient links to Amazon. As far as a Byzantine pope, Patriarch SVIATOSLAV would be great. And can you just image a meeting of SVIATOSLAV and KIRILL? Tangentially I can report that I am now reading the new Ukrainian Catholic catechism, "Christ Our Pascha" and find it very edifying. Also shorter and easier to read than the CCC.

latinmass1983 said...

I understand the "frustration" of having a Supreme Pontiff who talks to much and confuses everybody and teachings very little. However, why would a Byzantine be better? It should never be forgotten that most of the early heresies came from the East and from some very high-ranking patriarchs at that!

I also disagree with the idea (at that blog) that the Popes only started "teaching dogmatically universally" under Pius IX -- we all know this not to be correct. What seems to "bother" the people over at that blog is that the Pope began to do it without an Ecumenical Council (meaning, without the Eastern Patriarchs), but in such case then it would never happen, given that those Patriarchs are not and do not seem to want to be still in communion with Rome.

Unknown said...

Yes, for Pope Sarah!

Anonymous said...


There are Eastern Patriarchs in the Catholic Communion in full Communion with Rome, so today (and for the past few hundreds of years), there is no excuse for speaking without their voices.

Prayerful said...

It isn't quite the same as having a Greek Rite Pope but Gregorio Pietro XV Agagianian was possibly elected Pope in a conclave in 1963 (or 1958), but turned down election. It was supposed he had undesireable Eastern Bloc links. This wasn't exactly a re-run of 1958 with Cardinal Siri (allegedly) turning down election as Pope (but it is also claimed that the Armenian Cardinal declined election then too!) as Cardinal Agagianian was regarded as highly acceptable to the liberal element who got the Church into its present mess.

I'm not an optimist here. I've a bad feeling that Cardinal Tagle could be Pope Francis II. We have to bear up.