13 January 2018

President Trump

I am one of those brits who likes Americans. My circle of friends would be significantly reduced if I deleted Americans. And I actually rather admire very many Americans. And, in the last Presidential election, I would certainly have voted for anybody or anything to exclude the clinton. And would do so again without any hesitation.

So I would like my American friends to understand better why President Trump is so loathed and detested in this country that the likelihood of big demonstrations against him has led to the cancellation of his planned imminent visit here.

There is undoubtedly the fact that British (and European) politics are shifted well to the left of American politics. For example, our previous 'Conservative' and 'right wing' Prime Minister, David Cameron, would probably be considered a dangerous left-winger in terms of the American political spectrum.

And it is enormously true that DT is precisely that sort of American who incarnates what brits of pretty well every type think they find most alien about Americans.

But let me conclude by mentioning just one little episode that particularly infuriated me personally.

We had a terrorist incident in London. DT reacted to this by attacking the Mayor of London.

If there were a terrorist atrocity in New York and a British Prime Minister took precisely that opportunity to attack the Mayor of New York, I suspect that we might be very gently urged to remember that the British Crown no longer exercises jurisdiction over the United States.

OK, we are now small and insignificant and in rather a mess. But do you think that makes us enjoy being rudely and crudely humiliated?


Joshua said...

While in Italy on holiday:
- walking along the Corso in Rome, I overheard an American lady at an outdoor eatery declare "These g-noki are horrible": yes, she pronounced the g separately from the n in gnocchi;
- while in Savonarola's rooms in San Marco, another lady American declared smugly that "I guess he just didn't know the meaning of 'all things in moderation'" (by her girth, neither did she);
- I was rudely insulted by a waiter, until I pointed out that I was not an American, but an Australian, whereupon he smiled broadly and declared in English, "My cousin, he live in Melbourne".
BUT those three unpleasant moments were more than compensated for by an absolute gem that I and a German priest friend of mine overheard, and left us in fits of mirth, while on a tour of Neuschwanstein Castle in Bavaria: in the throne room, the guide pointed out the mural of St Louis IX fighting the Moors, at which point a loud and broad Southern US male voice gloriously drawled out the words "Some things just don't change!"

Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosque said...

Dear Father. The rhetoric of POTUS Donald Trump is an unending source of delight and amusement to ABS and his political actions are even more appreciated.

Of course, ABS does not expect you to be amused at what Trump has to to say but you'll have to grow a thicker skin because he will be around another seven years and he is as shoot from the lip as Franciscus is.

As a country, America long ago ceased to exist (Thanks to the evil tyrant, Abraham Lincoln, whom ABS is sure got his nickname "Honest" for the same reason a 400 lb gangster gets the nickname, "Tiny") and so has England ceased to exist and so perhaps what feels wounding about his public comments is that such comments tend to spark memories of what used to be and his rebarbative rhetoric becomes conflated with the fond memories of what England used to be.

Christopher Boegel said...

An excellent observation - about some of the excesses of DT.

I agree with every single word you wrote Father H.

A Daughter of Mary said...

Father, I speak from Canada, so like you, I observe what happens in the U.S. from afar. How did we get to a place where we are forced to laud this boor, Donald Trump, as a good man because his behaviour is in such positive contrast to the other side?

I'm of the mind that says the whole system of modern government is corrupt and can't (won't) be changed. Democracy is not the answer as is proved every day throughout the world. It has become mob rule, nothing more, no matter what party one belongs to. And when the mob is not ruling, the autocrats rule and are morphing into totalitarians before our eyes.

Garcia Moreno pray for us. Our Lady of Quito pray for us.

mark wauck said...

Aren't you leaving out that there was a pre-history to Trump's comments re the Mayor of London? That the Mayor of London had attempted to interfere in US politics against Trump, during the presidential campaign? That the Mayor of London has made controversial statements on issues that have become the big questions of the day for much of the world--Islamic inspired terrorism and the advisability of importing bulk numbers of persons who are unwilling to assimilate to the culture of the given country? I think that 1) that changes the equation and that 2) Brits should be able to take that into account. If they prove unable to, does that say more about Trump or about the level of civic discourse in Britain?

Banshee said...

In my experience, your native New Yorker is very big on... um... parrhesia. Either they don't talk to you, or they have a comment. Often it's a critical comment.

Trump is a native New Yorker, so I expect him to mouth off. He says nasty things that come to mind and he also says nice things, and he expects more or less the same from everyone he meets.

There's a very instructive episode of Saturday Night Live, where they had the then-mayor of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, as a guest host. It turned out that Giuliani (all lawyers are a little bit actors) actually wanted to be in the skits, and help write them. So he plays a multitude of characters (like an Italian grandmother!), including a skit toward the end where he plays a cabbie. The entire skit is the cabdriver inveighing against "Freaking Giuliani!", and repeating almost every criticism that Giuliani's enemies had made against him.

It is obvious that Giuliani loves talking smack about himself! It could even be argued from the skit that, if you're important enough to be the subject of a cabbie's complaints, you have really made your mark in the world. The final effect is self-congratulatory.

So yeah, I'm not saying that Londoners should all like Trump or think he approves of them, but he's certainly showing a New York kind of love, by having any comment at all about the rest of the world....

GOR said...

I suspect many people here voted for “anyone, but Clinton” – and we were right! While many of President Trump’s utterances may be viewed as ‘cringe-worthy’ to today’s delicate ears, this is a rather recent phenomenon.

Some Americans are brash, ‘in your face’, loud and not given to subtlety. Surprisingly (or not…) the term ‘political correctness’ originated here in the US. PC-ness has become so ingrained in people that “telling it like it is” without sugarcoating is greeted with horror or engendering what an earlier generation would call: “the vapors”.

But today’s spluttering outrage by the elites has also generated a very descriptive term for the delicately-eared: “snowflakes”. And snowflakes are evanescent.

mark wauck said...

I should add that when Trump's treatment of Britain strikes Brits as a bit churlish, they should remind themselves that perhaps Trump views the British government through the prism of that government's attempt to influence the 2016 US election by means of its Intelligence Services. Beyond the ongoing saga of the shady Mr. Steele, you do recall that the head of GCHQ resigned abruptly (understatement--3 days notice) immediately after Trump's inauguration? That wasn't coincidence, and it goes a long way to explaining why Trump has been willing to publicly chop May off at the knees (she seems to have gotten the message, at last). The leaders of small, insignificant countries really should consider the consequences of assuming they understand the politics of the US well enough to lend their own Intelligence Services to the illegal machinations of the Democrat party. Again, if Brits are unable to understand such matters, whose fault is that? A bit of humility would go a long way.

Banshee said...

Also, I would wager that Trump is enjoying the whole "Banned from Britain" thing. I'm not saying he likes opposition more than vanilla ice cream... but yeah, that's also a native New Yorker thing.

People born in New York are just a litttle bit different from the rest of us. I still remember the New York lady I met at a convention, who had never met a Republican before. In her life! She was almost sixty!

She wasn't amused when I related her comment to the old story about my grandparents, when they moved from rural Ohio to then-rural Ocala, Florida, for Grandpa to work as a flight instructor at the WWII flying school. The first day they were there, they went down to the courthouse and registered to vote in Florida. That night, the county Democratic Party chairman showed up at their door and introduced himself.

My grandparents said it was nice to meet him, but they were Republicans and not planning on changing parties.

He grinned and said, "I just wanted to see what a Republican looks like."

New Yorkers are kinda insular, although they hate to hear it, and a lot of the folks that have lived other places will double-down on their New Yorker identity markers, just to be sure they don't forget who they are. Trump has been all over the world, so of course he's going to act more New York than anybody!

Everybody talks about diversity and openness, and there it is. In all its NYC glory!

Arthur Gallagher said...

If the mayor of New York were to be attacked by any British person, that attack would gratify almost every living New Yorker. The cheers would emanate from every corner, even perhaps the Irish Northern Aid Committee. DeBlasio is the creature of the real estate development interests, and owed his position solely to them.

Trump is very American, and very plainly spoken. The irony is that his mom was something of a royalist, and an ardent supporter of the Crown, who raised him to respect the Queen. She was also an immigrant, from the Isle of Lewis, who taught him the kind of 100% Americanism, America First, and love of the country that lifted her from poverty. I remember her as an active volunteer in our local Boy Scout council. I suspect that he would love to pay his respects to Her Majesty, to honor both his mother, and a nation that he greatly admires. Sadly, he is being denied the opportunity to visit Britain by the kind of leftists who are destroying all that is good, both here, and in Europe.

Let's not judge a book by its cover.

Woody said...

Hurt your feelings, did he? Sorry. So, let's stick with religious items. What do you think of PF?

Mary Welch said...

Ah yes, but you see when a Muslim couple killed 14 in San Bernardino in 2015, and Trump, then a candidate, called for a ban on Muslims entering the US, Sadiq Khan called Trump a “buffoon” and said “I think his views are divisive, they are outrageous and I hope he loses badly.”

If Khan did not want to engage with Trump, then he should not have started it.

Michael Leahy said...

Your London Mayor is a fifth columnist. If you cannot understand that, your humiliation is only beginning. And I'm no American.

vetusta ecclesia said...

It could also be added that we have endured decades of terrorism, much of it financed by US citizens for misplaced sentimental reasons.

OreamnosAmericanus said...

Reverend Father, with respect, "rather a mess" does not cover it. Your native religion is dead, your native people are lost and you are being invaded and replaced by the Third World. And anyone who truly opposes this is ostracized or worse. (And, unfogiveably, the Church kowtows happily.) We are not far behind here in the uncouth colonies. Mr Trump's refusal to act as if thing were going along nicely is why he got elected and why people like me care not a whit about his manners when the fate of our culture and race is on the brink. And the fact that the mayor of London is an Asian Muslim...does this not strike you as the death knell of your people? If he is "British", what could "British" possible mean anymore? The courtesies of the past are well past their time.

Highland Cathedral said...

Well here’s an article which covers the Trump/Khan relationship right from the beginning:
The relevant Trump tweet was:
“At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is "no reason to be alarmed!"”
But that did not come out of the blue. As the article shows, it followed a long exchange between the two. And note that when Khan was elected mayor, Trump’s response was positive and generous. But Khan chose to deliberately exaggerate Trump’s very selective (and temporary) ban on Moslems emigrating to the USA.
As for British politicians criticising American politicians (whatever the situation) there’s no shortage of that happening just now. British politicians are criticising Trump on an almost daily basis. And they don’t come any higher than our own Prime Minister, Mrs May.

Kathleen1031 said...

People are still free to elect any sort of leader they want. It is none of anybody's business if the Mayor of London is a Muslim. Reportedly, many of Great Britain's Mayors or political leaders are now Muslim, probably a good thing, because Islam is going to take over, and you may as well have someone at the helm who understands the majority of the people.
Now, the mayor of London, did he not call Islamic terrorism against the natives, "the new normal"? If that kind of capitulation to violence is acceptable, as the Islamic takeover is clearly acceptable, to the British people, then so be it. We do understand that your general freedom of speech has been so curtailed by the people you have elected that you are no longer even free to criticize your replacements. My word. That is going to make it challenging in the future, but let's leave that for now.
If Great Britain has become radically Left, then they share much in common with many of the nasty Americans Europeans so like to look down upon. This dislike by many Europeans has always been the case. We are disliked and found fascinating at the same time. It is not lost on today's Yanks that despite our commonalities, and despite America's long history of coming to the rescue of European nations militarily, it is still a hobby of so many to insult Americans. Ah well, you can't force lasting gratitude, and we no longer see things the same way anymore.
Americans looked at what "the Left" has done here and see the astounding failures of the ideology that bred it, a godless, humanist, man-worshiping, pleasure seeking, Christianity-hating belief system that loves everything foreign and hates the European culture that resulted in such successful European nations and America. Resentful and vengeful of what they could not create, they are using political correctness and imposed white guilt to accomplish what no military system could attain, the destruction of the West from the inside. Indeed, as some lovely Imam or some such so elegantly put it "The West will be overcome by the long sword or the short sword." Let that replace Shakespeare.
The Americans who are paying attention to Europe's plight, stand somewhat horrified by what is happening to our old ally Great Britain, and other friends. Say what anyone will about Americans, apparently we are quick on the learning curve, we see it,and do not wish to abandon Christendom to Islam, nor our nation to Islam, nor our culture, nor our land, nor our safety, nor our security, nor our loved ones. We want to have our daughters walk the streets in relative safety, not be harassed or gang raped by hordes of barbarians who have been given monthly stipends and everything they could want, to haunt our streets and exact revenge for that foolish gift. Europe has built itself a Trojan horse, filled it with enemy combatants, dragged the thing into the public square, and is now going to reap the benefits of that, forevermore.
Europe is generally a beautiful land, with amazing historical landmarks and of course heritage, incredible architecture, and it was a land of vibrant and interesting cultures of so many varieties, and naturally, the wonderful people. But personally, I wouldn't live in any part of Europe now for free, unless it were Poland, Hungary, or the Czech Republic.
President Trump was, and is, our president, and many millions of Americans appreciate the man exactly as he is. He is exactly what we needed, to take on the monarchy of Communists who pose as Democrats and who have taken over so much of our government and nation, these globalists that have wrecked Europe and would like to do the same here. We are in a fight for survival here, but it appears that, at least America recognizes it.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Dear Father:

Thanks for these comments. Let me offer the following:

1. As an American who has only limited experience with Europe in general, and has never visited the UK, I would be interested to hear more from you about the "sort of American who incarnates what Brits of pretty well every type think they find most alien about Americans."

2. I don't blame you for objecting to President Trump attacking the Mayor of London. For that matter, I don't blame you or anyone for objecting to many things President Trump says.

If you are wondering why he says some of the things he does, I think the best explanation is not what you usually hear: that he's stupid, or lacks self-control, or that he is hateful or that he is mad. While any of these things *might* be true, I doubt they explain much. Rather, I think the best explanation is that he calculates that various words and actions of his will serve to provoke reactions that are over the top, and therefore help him gain a larger objective; or that they will serve to polarize things in a way that, likewise, will help him advance objectives.

3. I am very sorry to hear you speak of being "rudely and crudely humiliated," because I think very few Americans favor such a course. Not all Americans think about foreign affairs, but of those who do, I suspect most do not think of the UK as "small and insignificant." We think of the UK as a particularly valuable friend, and would like to keep it that way.

4. Like you, I did not want Mrs. Clinton to win, but I could not bring myself to vote for Mr. Trump, for various reasons. This may surprise you, but when he ran, quite a lot of us did not think him a very convincing conservative; his position on abortion was not well thought out and therefore not very convincing; neither was his answer on redefining marriage. And, of course, there were many behaviors of his in the past, and in the campaign, that were offensive. So I voted for a third party candidate. Now that he is President, I hope for the best; and I must admit, he has pleasantly surprised me in many ways -- his continuing crudities notwithstanding.

5. I am very sorry to hear that large numbers of the British people "loathe and detest" President Trump. I would like to see our President visit and be well received, as has happened in the past.

6. What concerns me most, however, is when you speak of British and European politics having shifted considerably. I hope it will not offend you if I observe that, from this side of the Atlantic, it seems that there are values we on both sides of the Atlantic once held and defended in common, that are being tossed aside. They are in danger here, too; but when I look at Europe, it seems like things are almost lost. I think not only of Christianity specifically, but things like respect for human life, free speech and due process.

Donna Bethell said...

Sadly, from over the pond, I have to agree.

Dale Crakes said...

I really very surprised at your use of the use of such in effect rude and ill-mannered terms when referring to Mrs. Clinton. I can understand not being a supporter of hers but 'the clinton'. You should be ashamed that you have sunken to the level British football hooligans. Up until this point I've read your blog with eager anticipation. In the future perhaps with a sense of foreboding. You probably will not post this but I have voiced my objection. I think your choice of words is a great example of why the clergy should be extremely careful when getting into political discourse. I'm 79 and hope I haven't got to old to learn.

Fr John Hunwicke said...

Dear Woody

No; he did not hurt my feelings. And, as I said, I know EXACTLY why my American friends voted Trump. If his SCOTUS nominations end up saving just one innocent life, it will have been more than worth it.

My post was designed to do what I said: to explain why, in this country, so many people feel the way they do. My fear is that these two Anglophone countries understand each other less and less well. We don't even understand the grumps and grouses the other 'side' has.

It has been going on for a long time. My Father, a right-wing naval officer,and his generation, deeply resented the way, ACCORDING TO THEM, that the Americans always entered World Wars late and then carted off all our money. They resented the imperial way Britain was treated during the Suez crisis. And they resented the way Irish terrorism was funded by Americans. And the unwillingness to extradite Irish terrorists if they set foot in America.

Perhaps they were wrong .... TOTALLY wrong ... about ALL that. I'm not trying to start any new hares running. But anyone who wants to understand feelings in this country needs to know the background to the current resentments.

And, first, they need to understand that there ARE resentments.

fidelisjoff said...

Mayor Khan had already travelled to the USA to condemn Trump as a presidential candidate with NYC mayor Blasio and told us here in the UK that terrorism is part and parcel of life in a modern city....we don't all agree....Mayor Khan reaped what he showed and DJT was and right to attack the acceptance of potential terrorists in their thousands in our midst as our Government insists on doing little to improve the situation.

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus said...

"We had a terrorist incident in London. DT reacted to this by attacking the Mayor of London."

The mayor of London is a MUSLIM. The terrorist attacks are by MUSLIMS. Every western country needs to purge itself of Islam. This is becoming as bad and as mad as it was when Islam invaded all the way to Tours, France back in the 8th century AD, except NOW Britain and Germany and the rest of Western Europe are inviting these people into their countries and electing them into office! That is crazy insane. I want the United Kingdom to not just survive but prosper as the Christian nation it once was, and that will NOT happen with the current insane policies and practices going on.

And by the way, our own mayor of NYC is a piece of liberal progressive excrement, and I have NO issue if the UK Prime Minister said so. But he won't. Because he's probably MORE liberal.

Liam Ronan said...

The Douay-Rheims Bible (i.e. 'Catholic') translation of 1 Kings 14:10 warns those who kowtow to strange gods:

"Therefore behold I will bring evils upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut of from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up, and the last in Israel: and I will sweep away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as dung is swept away till all be clean."

Perhaps DT took the Mayor of London to be one who taketh the pisseth and needed to be enlightened.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Fr. H:

I have an answer for anyone who says the U.S. entered the world wars "late," but I'll save it for that conversation. But as an American, I think your dad wax mostly right about Suez. I only say "mostly" because I recall Mr. Eden mishandled his communication of the issue with Ike. Even so, Ike should have backed the UK, and I think he figured that out.

And, about the IRA, I was appalled by my fellow Americans sending money to them. I wasnt alone. A lot of that was an east coast, "Look how Irish I am" thing.

And thanks for explicating those resentments.

Dale Griffith said...

"My Father, a right-wing naval officer,and his generation, deeply resented the way, ACCORDING TO THEM, that the Americans always entered World Wars late and then carted off all our money."

My grandfather fought in World War I. I can still remember as a small child listening for hours as he coughed up his lungs because of a gas attack in 1918. What in God's name was he doing wasting his life for the British Empire? An Empire that took young lads out and murdered them in cold blood for fighting for their freedom of their nation from English imperialism in 1916?

Mu father fought in World War II. What in God's name was a boy who just turned 18 doing almost dying for the British Empire in 1942?

Why did more than 600,000 plus Americans die for you? We have never even been thanked, and now we have to suffer English self-righteous indignation. It is not a question of why we were late, it what the hell were we doing in your wars in the first place?

Sorry to sound this way, but it is hard to remain silent.

Dale Griffith said...

"My Father, a right-wing naval officer,and his generation, deeply resented the way, ACCORDING TO THEM, that the Americans always entered World Wars late and then carted off all our money."

My grandfather fought in World War I. I can still remember as a small child listening for hours as he coughed up his lungs because of a gas attack in 1918. What in God's name was he doing wasting his life for the British Empire? An Empire that took young lads out and murdered them in cold blood for fighting for their freedom of their nation from English imperialism in 1916?

Mu father fought in World War II. What in God's name was a boy who just turned 18 doing almost dying for the British Empire in 1942?

Why did more than 600,000 plus Americans die for you? We have never even been thanked, and now we have to suffer English self-righteous indignation. It is not a question of why we were late, it what the hell were we doing in your wars in the first place?

Sorry to sound this way, but it is hard to remain silent.

Paul Hellyer said...

DrAndroSF. I agree completely with you. We are under attack by a soft jihad.

Paul Hellyer said...

Kathleen. You are right. I agree but the Brits are starting to do something. A new party has been formed called For Britain. Let's hope it will start to turn the tide.

Claudio Salvucci said...

Speaking of politics, I agree with the commenters above that this language may be a function of Trump's polis rather than our nation as a whole. Midwesterners are polite to a fault; a true Southerner would find it rude to critique Mr. Khan without an introductory "Bless his heart..."

I married into a family of NYers and I've argued till I am blue in the face against their utter refusal, against all cartographic and bridge toll evidence, to admit that Queens and Brooklyn are physically located on Long Island. If you ever want to imagine how Vatican intrigue could be immeasurably worse, imagine the papal court in Manhattan.


A Philadelphian

St Malachy said...

Mayor Khan (and indeed David Cameron) deserves every bit of opprobrium heaped upon him.

John Vasc said...

But we're not 'rudely and crudely humiliated' when Trump criticizes the Mayor of London. Many of us think the Mayor of London is rude and crude enough to withstand any criticism. It's amusing to see the London mayor's empty hypocrisy seen through. If Khan wanted softer treatment from DT, he should have kept quiet during the US election (which is none of his or our business) instead of publicly supporting Clinton and stridently vilifying Trump in the most personal way.

Logically, you have, I would hope, the same criticism of Obama for intervening so disgracefully in our Referendum, including a propaganda visit to London he made for that purpose - explicitly supported by Sadiq Khan.

As to Trump being 'so loathed and detested in this country' - in bien-pensant Oxford it may seem to be so (as with Oxbridge's triumphalist europhile assumptions before the Referendum), but Trump's championing of America and its economic future and national security is quietly admired by large numbers in this country who would like to see the same effort being put in by a British government in support of British interests.

Trump's language is intemperate, and his personal style and behaviour is often grossly embarrassing, but his sentiments and intentions are shared by many, and not just in the US - as is his battle with administrative, academic and judicial forces that have seen large-scale, unrepresentatively left-wing entryism and confirmation bias for decades. And that, again, is true here also, not just in the US.

And btw many in Britain also thought David Cameron was a fake, dangerously leftwing Tory, from the moment of his election to party leader to the 'negotiations' and February 2016 'agreement' with the EU that was so obviously 'bogus' - to cite the recent, entirely just criticism of Jacob Rees-Mogg. As yet, Trump has done nothing so damaging.

Sorry, Father, but if you venture into the purely political sphere with such generalisations, you must expect disagreement. God bless, nonetheless.

ccc said...

Just to put Trump in historical context, he is far from the first American to act this way.

Here's a nice LBJ quote:

“F*** your parliament and your constitution. America is an elephant. Cyprus is a flea. Greece is a flea. If these two fellows continue itching the elephant they may just get whacked by the elephant’s trunk, whacked good.”

Some Americans are just the way they are, direct and in your face.

Peter M said...

'For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ What a good thing that most of your readers don't pay attention to this sort of left wing claptrap.

coradcorloquitur said...

Wonder never cease! I never thought I would hear from the wise and good Father Hunwick the same false rhetoric that we hear on a daily basis from Leftists all over the world bent on discrediting a president who, for all his faults, is an obstacle to the destroyers of what is left of Christian civilization. A very sad and surprising post indeed.

coradcorloquitur said...

Perhaps Peter M. above has not noticed that data shows that conservatives contribute much more to charity than liberals do---at least in the US. Just like the Church of Christ, the Catholic Church, has outdone any and all institutions throughout the world in doing exactly what he quotes from Scripture above. They simply do it authentically and mostly humbly, without the phony virtue-signaling of the Leftists and without putting the well-being of their country, civilization, church, and family in the back seat in order to take on the refugees and invaders from lands where debased culture, false religion, and corrupt political apparatus have created hellish living conditions for countless human beings. As Scripture reminds us, our first (but not only) duty is to the "members of the Household of the Faith." To put others ahead of this first duty while endangering our own is immoral and obscene.

Mark said...

I am more appalled that London elected a Leftist Muslim as its Mayor.

But I can certainly understand that Mr. Trump rubs many the wrong way. He has me though I greatly prefer him to anyone from the Democrat Party.

coradcorloquitur said...

I wonder if we will be "pearl-clutching" about Trump's alleged boorishness (in fact, he is just being a red-blooded, direct old-fashion man---quite common not that long ago) when the Leftist tyrants and their Muslim cohorts come to shut our churches and impose their savagery on us. Just wondering...