5 August 2017

Jesuit Apostasy??

Somebody sent me a link to a picture apparently showing the "General" of the "Society of Jesus" in a Buddhist posture praying, it appeared, among Buddhists towards a Buddha. Of course, photographs do not always tell the whole story, and there may be circumstances of which I am not aware. And it will undoubtedly be true that if the "principles" of Amoris laetitia really do cover Adultery, as so many of our Holy Father's admirers claim, then they will clearly also cover Idolatry (together with Genocide, Paedophilia, Embezzlement, Torture, and all the other Family Entertainments for a Cold Winter Evening so conveniently listed in Gaudium et Spes 27 and carefully repeated at Veritatis splendor 80).

Apostasy? Clerical Apostasy? Public Clerical Idolatry?

I am reminded of the description in Dix (Shape pp 24-26) of the apostasy of the clergy of Cirta (Constantine, in Algeria) in 303. Here is a snippet of the great Anglican Benedictine in characteristic  (purple passage) full flood:

" ... What could they have said? To have surrendered the scriptures and the sacred vessels was 'apostasy', still for clerics (though not for laymen) the irremissible sin for which there was no possible penance. And they knew it; Felix [the City Warden] knew it; even the grinning public slaves knew it. They had saved their lives - but they had all irremediably forfeited their orders in that quarter of an hour. I know no more moving picture of the inner meaning of the persecutions than that shamefaced helpless group of apostate African clergy with the uncouth Berber names - the men who were not martyrs - as the public slave saw them across the shoulders of their enemies and jotted down their actions on that hot May afternoon sixteen centuries ago."

I believe the most recent very senior cleric to be caught apparently committing Idolatry 'to camera' was Maradiaga. It is claimed, I do not know upon what evidence, that there is another cardinal who once offered flowers to the deities in a Hindu temple. Pretty certainly misreported nonsense, but the sort of misreported nonsense that can be unsettling for us simple and unsophisticated souls.

I wonder whether we are bound to regard those against whom there is very plausible and undenied  prima facie evidence of Idolatry as still morally entitled to the exercise of their Orders (of course, the character of the Sacrament of Holy Order will certainly not have been expunged from their souls ... the Church's Rigid Dogma makes that clear).

Will the student clergy in the Roman Colleges be obliged to concelebrate with highly-placed apostates? Would it be a helpful service if the Annuario Pontificio published the names of those hierarchs who had committed Idolatry, making clear, perhaps, which of them had been subsequently absolved for the Sin, and which (on the grounds that "their consciences were comfortable with it") had not?

As our dear old British journal of public record, Private Eye, likes to say, I think we should be told.


Unknown said...

Just for the record. Sometimes photographs are indeed explains the things better than thousand words. In mentioned case, they are more than enough photo's as the words too.
See it on the officially site of the jezuits of asia:

Steven said...

That alleged pictures on the official Jesuit Asia-Pacific Conference website noted in the first comment went down the memory hole very quickly. The link is dead as of 11:00 AM EDT in the United State. The link now leads to a dead end announcing "Page not found".

Scotspriest said...

Hmm. Didn't JPII kiss the Qur'an some years ago?

Amateur Brain Surgeon said...

The famous Doctor of Modernist Progressivism, Professor Herman NuDix of Continuity College in Rome who holds the Pierre Teilhard de Chardin Chair of Chimeras and Fantasy, explains in an email to ABS; "I can count on the fingers of my sinistre hand the number of Catholics who still think that praying with pagans, unbelievers, liberals, and florists remains forbidden but since the enlightenment values we have gloriously ascended to in modernity have taken root so deeply and with such puissant and mephitic repercussions in our enlightened ecumenical ecclesial existence that finally, and thankfully, we have cast off the chains of Triumphalism and exclusivity and we have welcomed with open arms and with prayerfully clasped hands those anonymous Christians who have not yet fully embraced the Faith.

And, besides, it has always been a part of Tradition to pray always and everywhere and as the great Ben Zaikai, quoted in a lecture by Professor Irwin Corey, the world's foremost authority, as Ben Zaikai memorably said "And remember, wherever you go, there you are."

Saint Karl Rahner, pray for us. Amen."

Jhayes said...

The link works for me


Elizabeth said...

Here is an article and photo from One Peter Five of the General of the Jesuits at prayer before the Buddha:



Steven said...

Yes, I see the link does work--the original formatting was confusing. The link ends with a hyphen and I picked up the next word (evidently the poster's name, Ivan).

Woody said...

My recollection traces "wherever you go, there you are" back to that great cult classic film Buckaroo Banzai. Evidently there is now as elf help book with that title, dating from 2009 or so. There actually are other Buckaroo Banzai quotes, especially from John Lihgow's great speech scene, which seem to have relevance to the current situation in the Church, e.g. the following:

"History is made at night" - describing work inside the Vatican?
"Your greatest joy is the joy of duty!" - mantra of certain head in the sand conservatives?
"We must work while the clock she is ticking!" - Bergoglian imperative?
"Character is what you are in the dark!" - I won't venture a specific connection except to note that this saying evidently goes back to the late XIX century Protestant evangelist Dwight L. Moody.

Unknown said...

All in line for the New World Church of World Peace, World Sustainability, World minimum wage, World banking, World to follow in the footsteps of the Jewish Kabala. All is fine, All is Well, All is Joy. NOT!

Nicolas Bellord said...

I must say if I was Pope the first think I would do is to suppress the Jesuits.

Amateur Brain Surgeon said...

Dear Woody. Buckaroo Banzai debuted in 1984 and it was a writer of that movie who stole the fictitious quote composed by Prof. Corey

It was during his 1966 appearance on “The Smothers Brothers” that Prof Irwin Corey made-up a quote he attributed to Yochanan ben Zakkai, "Wherever you go, there you are."

When it comes to these crucial cultural events it is very important to get these things right because if we are wrong about such things, how can we be trusted in the nearly almost important area of Catholic Tradition?

Prayerful said...

Cardinal Nichols received a pagan blessing in a Hindu temple, the BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir in Neasden, London in 2009. This was the occasion supposed occasion when he offered flower on an altar. This claim disappeared from articles, so dunno if it was just a mistake or rumour cut out, or some cover-up organised by David Icke's Lizardmen. What he did does pale when compared to JP2 frequently praying in pagans, participating in their rites, accepting their false blessings, and Assisi obviously.

Scott Slanda said...

Wow. Praying with pagans. I guess that foolish martyr Ignatius of Antioch sacrificed his life for nothing. He should've just given in and tried to build bridges, like the wise and wonderful Fr Sosa does.
To me, that hits home to me personally. To do what he did is to spit upon the graves of so many better men who gave their lives rather than betray the Faith.

George said...

«Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?»

Father, if the master of the house has already kissed the koran, why do you wonder that his servant did things of the same nature?

Mark said...

In the Jesuit order to not be an apostate is apostasy.