Can anyone explain to me why, on videos from EWTN of EF Masses, the celebrant (?always) appears to prepare, consecrate (and subsequently ablute) two chalices?
Are they crypto-Anglicans?
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No, it's not a matter of one chalice being used as a ciborium. Look for yourself.
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was for nearly three decades at Lancing College; where he taught Latin and Greek language and literature, was Head of Theology, and Assistant Chaplain. He has served three curacies, been a Parish Priest, and Senior Research Fellow at Pusey House in Oxford. Since 2011, he has been in full communion with the See of S Peter. The opinions expressed on this Blog are not asserted as being those of the Magisterium of the Church, but as the writer's opinions as a private individual. Nevertheless, the writer strives, hopes, and prays that the views he expresses are conformable with and supportive of the Magisterium. In this blog, the letters PF stand for Pope Francis. On this blog, 'Argumentum ad hominem' refers solely to the Lockean definition, Pressing a man with the consequences of his own concessions'.
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was for nearly three decades at Lancing College; where he taught Latin and Greek language and literature, was Head of Theology, and Assistant Chaplain. He has served three curacies, been a Parish Priest, and Senior Research Fellow at Pusey House in Oxford. Since 2011, he has been in full communion with the See of S Peter. The opinions expressed on this Blog are not asserted as being those of the Magisterium of the Church, but as the writer's opinions as a private individual. Nevertheless, the writer strives, hopes, and prays that the views he expresses are conformable with and supportive of the Magisterium. In this blog, the letters PF stand for Pope Francis. On this blog, 'Argumentum ad hominem' refers solely to the Lockean definition, Pressing a man with the consequences of his own concessions'.
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One for the laity, one for the cloistered sisters? I haven't seen the videos, though.
Based on viewing only one: The particles from Communion are being consolidated into one ciborium, after which the other ciboria are reserved. Then, that unreserved ciborium and the chalice are abluted, as usual. SOP.
Um ... well, Bill, according to the rubrics of the EF the only person who receives the chalice is the celebrant. This is the point of my question. My suspicion is that in fact (some of?) the nuns are receiving in both kinds. If so, this raises interesting questions about how the FSSP and ICK do business.
Michael: what I am wondering about is why two chalices are prepared and consecrated.
Since the videos are of real Masses, rather than instuctional videos, it is very difficult to tell just what is going on from them (camera shots too varied, not always focused on the altar, etc.).
If you think it worth pursuing, I would recommend trying to correspond with the priests involved (email should be good enough), and putting the question to them directly.
I believe one of the nuns has a severe wheat allergy and can only receive under the form of wine,I don't know if a dispensation was ever achieved for the E.F. That is what I was led to understand anyway
Something similar happened at an SSPX Mass in Canada - one of the children attending had a severe wheat allergy, and so was communicated from the chalice instead, special permission having been obtained from one of the SSPX bishops (acting without jurisdiction as usual).
But if only 1 or 2 communicants required this, why would there be a need to consecrate using 2 chalices?
Because the priest communicates the host before receiving from the chalice, maybe the fear is that wheat particles from his communion may end up in the chalice. So a second is consecrated.
To a person with a severe wheat allergy, to drink from the chalice, to which a particle of the host has been added - as is done at the commixture - would be quite disastrous.
Truly, one man's drink is another man's poison.
I see the point now. I had totally overlooked the commixtio.
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