29 March 2022

Popes, Liturgy, and Authority (3): S PIUS V compared with S PAUL VI and PF

We are sometimes told that the imposition of a new rite by S Paul VI is precisely what S Pius V did in 1570.

It is not.

What S Paul VI did is precisely the opposite of what S Pius V did..

People who tell you anything different either have not read Quo primum ... or cannot understand Latin ... or have a regrettably fugitive grasp upon Truth.

S Pius V dealt with the question of churches with a Use of more than 200 years (i.e., going back to before the invention of printing made life so easy for liturgical tinkerers and innovators) in the following way. 

He said "nequaquam auferimus" -- in no way whatsoever do we take it (their old rite) off them. 

It is true that he added a  "permittimus" -- we permit that, if they like my edition of the Missal better, they can adopt it "de episcopi vel praelati capitulique universi consensu" -- provided that the bishop and the unanimous Chapter are in agreement.

If S Paul VI ... or PF ... had really wished to behave like S Pius V, they would have needed to decree something like this:

"We do not take away the right to use a Missal with more than 200 (or 600? Or 1200?) years of lawful use; but if a Bishop and his entire Chapter really do want to use my Novus Ordo instead, I will permit them to do so." 

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6 comments:

  1. Ivanmijeime30 March, 2022

    If one is a saint, and we are sure he is, not just because of Lepanto, and if another is a saint too, how can it be that they not just differ from each other, but even OPPOSE each other in SUCH heavenly important and eartly crucial MATTER?

    Put it in different way: How can those who not only differs, but even oppose each other in such IMPORTANT MATTER can both be a saint?

    Ivan

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  2. Victor30 March, 2022

    If Pope Pontianus and his antipope Hippolyte can both be saints...

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  3. Paul in Melbourne, Australia30 March, 2022

    Thank you, Father. I did not know this.

    I loved your phrase "a regrettably fugitive grasp upon Truth." Is is one of the best. I burst out laughing. It is so true.

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  4. Albrecht von Brandenburg30 March, 2022

    Ivan,

    Saints qua saints, can err.

    AvB.

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  5. Ivanmijeime30 March, 2022

    AvB,
    Of course. We know that.
    How can you be sure that all that time, effort and enormous work invested in such important matter was just an erring?

    Ivan

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  6. Albrecht von Brandenburg31 March, 2022

    Ivan,

    Cf. the time, effort, etc. expended by the Latin episcopate in trying to do away with clerical marriage.

    AvB.

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