tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8844392008664690954..comments2024-03-28T12:26:03.686+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Apostolicae curae: contextFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21987658159038826862010-08-01T14:08:01.377+01:002010-08-01T14:08:01.377+01:00Personally, I think your observation that 'the...Personally, I think your observation that <i>'the minimum rquirements in terms of Matter, Form and Intention are extremely low'</i> is accurate enough : but I would suggest that the issue of <i>Intention</i> is perhaps the least flexible of them all; and that it is this - coupled with the near-impossibility of tracing everyone's 'family tree' back with sufficient accuracy to Dominic Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14514722976964423091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24257605065558330492010-08-01T10:25:23.585+01:002010-08-01T10:25:23.585+01:00Dear Fr H.,
When you deleted your earlier posting...Dear Fr H.,<br /><br />When you deleted your earlier posting on this matter, you also deleted my comment, which I hoped was irenic enough...<br /><br />I tried to explain that "conditional" has a different meaning in regard to the sacraments than one would naively expect.<br /><br />If one is fairly sure a sacrament WAS confected, but some doubts remain, then the sacrament is Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-58747233026595561722010-08-01T01:47:10.951+01:002010-08-01T01:47:10.951+01:00Fr. Hunwicke:
Have you read this?
http://holywha...Fr. Hunwicke:<br /><br />Have you read this?<br /><br />http://holywhapping.blogspot.com/2007/09/episcopalian-convert-bishops-have-valid.html<br /><br />Strangely, almost no one ever discusses this case...APhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11395966255346711744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87772001335734610302010-07-31T20:35:14.408+01:002010-07-31T20:35:14.408+01:00Interesting observations. However, before you impu...Interesting observations. However, before you impugn AC for being i<br />an instance of this 'gut instinct invalidation', remember what the Pontiff says at the beginning: <br /><br /><i>"Catholic writers were impelled [to argue for the validity of Anglican orders] by a wish to smooth the way for the return of Anglicans to holy unity... And we, not disregarding such desires and Gideon Ertnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06572157722582694936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-20615143819298282782010-07-31T18:38:24.370+01:002010-07-31T18:38:24.370+01:00"He submitted gracefully and humbly, and thus..."He submitted gracefully and humbly, and thus ecclesial communion was restored and made perfect in his graceful submission."<br /><br />Your thoughts on the matter of ordination and magisterium are very insightful, Father, and, if I may say, very Anglican in the patrimonial sense of course.<br /><br />I paraphrase some comments which were deleted from the blog as they were, perhaps, Peregrinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04434172372347946015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40237864847222741372010-07-31T18:37:47.730+01:002010-07-31T18:37:47.730+01:00"He submitted gracefully and humbly, and thus..."He submitted gracefully and humbly, and thus ecclesial communion was restored and made perfect in his graceful submission."<br /><br />Your thoughts on the matter of ordination and magisterium are very insightful, Father, and, if I may say, very Anglican in the patrimonial sense of course.<br /><br />I paraphrase some comments which were deleted from the blog as they were, perhaps, Peregrinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04434172372347946015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-78179098631459476992010-07-31T18:25:57.572+01:002010-07-31T18:25:57.572+01:00I'm still looking for that indelible mark Chri...I'm still looking for that indelible mark Christian Baptism left on me. Perhaps my search explains the primum movens for the tonsure? But that presupposes vanity in flaunting what was freely obtained; so I must be on the wrong track. When I come to think of it, the last indelible mark I know I received was from a black El Marko clumsily taken up; but alas, in time that has faded. <br /><br /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-52157852686676135202010-07-31T16:19:24.668+01:002010-07-31T16:19:24.668+01:00Sorry if this a a bit off topic, but I've been...Sorry if this a a bit off topic, but I've been struggling with one issue concerning reordination that I haven't seen addressed elsewhere and wondered if someone could help me with it.<br /><br />Namely, the point of conditionally performing a sacrament is to both provide certainty (this is has been discussed well in blogs) while at the same time -avoiding the sin of sacrilege- by possiblyMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07221467136207284806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-27811776439575941522010-07-31T13:50:29.103+01:002010-07-31T13:50:29.103+01:00THE TYPIKON OF SERVICES
Of the Orthodox Church
By ...<i>THE TYPIKON OF SERVICES<br />Of the Orthodox Church<br />By Konstantin Nikol'sky<br />Archpriest of the Church of the Dormition of the Theotokos on Sennaya<br />Sixth Edition<br />Saint Petersburg. 1900<br />pp. 685-686 </i><br /><br />THE OFFICE OF RECEIVING A PRIEST OF THE ROMAN CHURCH INTO COMMUNION WITH THE ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH [1]<br /><br /> 1. Such cases of uniting to the Священник селаhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08182325210748920363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59472664600652932292010-07-31T13:48:35.854+01:002010-07-31T13:48:35.854+01:00On the other hand, the normal practice of the Russ...On the other hand, the normal practice of the Russian Church is to *receive by vesting* RC priests if there is no other problem involved in re-booting their orders. *By vesting* means that the one being received is vested in priestly vestments by the bishop presiding at Liturgy and then joins the Liturgy as a concelebrant.Священник селаhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08182325210748920363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-22982094632783854412010-07-31T11:11:20.561+01:002010-07-31T11:11:20.561+01:00I knew a Catholic priest who converted to Orthodox...I knew a Catholic priest who converted to Orthodoxy and was even rebaptized. As you state, practice varies.Pastor in Montehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949810648656544072noreply@blogger.com