tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8826960147130570471..comments2024-03-29T14:32:13.886+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Taken for a rideFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-55216208361329646652009-11-19T04:49:50.706+00:002009-11-19T04:49:50.706+00:00"SveK" is a delightful Swedish term. As..."SveK" is a delightful Swedish term. As a word, "svek," it means "guile, deceit, treachery," but as SveK it can represent "Svenska Kyrkan," or "Church of Sweden," an institution whose past some 30 years ago is the church of England's present, and whose present (as a totalitatian pseudo-church) is the Church of England's future.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-30080708109358640982009-11-19T04:46:05.381+00:002009-11-19T04:46:05.381+00:00(b) Those who accept women priests are not Christi...(b) Those who accept women priests are not Christians (in which case the C of E is no longer a Christian church - I need not go into the implications of this).<br /><br />I choose (b), in the sense that those who accept women priests are not orthodox Christians, are heretics -- like Arians, Montanists, Marciontes and Gnostics -- probably rather more heretical than classical Arians and somewhat William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-36849833664719157272009-11-19T02:24:35.292+00:002009-11-19T02:24:35.292+00:00Steve said: "(b) Those who accept women pries...Steve said: "(b) Those who accept women priests are not Christians (in which case the C of E is no longer a Christian church - I need not go into the implications of this)."<br /><br />You seem to be setting us up by suggesting that if we don't go for your option (b) as few of us would, we must then say that Rome is wrong.<br /><br />I, for one, don't buy either of your "Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352598115559204014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-45404731886955596762009-11-18T19:43:20.286+00:002009-11-18T19:43:20.286+00:00It has often struck me as odd that liberals objec...It has often struck me as odd that liberals object to the very sparingly applied infallibility of the Holy Father. When it comes to their own pet causes, infallibility is simply taken as given and applied with juridical penalties.austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05353043674005221535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-47997382449038647592009-11-18T16:57:41.211+00:002009-11-18T16:57:41.211+00:00GOR, another Americanism (paraphrased) is:
"...GOR, another Americanism (paraphrased) is:<br /><br />"Novus ordo happens"<br /><br />Without the debacle caused by V2 and the volte-face of the NO mass (ie 'Lex orandi, lex credendi' became 'Lex credendi, lex orandi') much that now is could not have been. <br /><br />The devil has been a very naughty boy lately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-38639840419245380102009-11-18T15:48:09.682+00:002009-11-18T15:48:09.682+00:00Steve,
Good questions all. When do you suppose Ro...Steve,<br /><br />Good questions all. When do you suppose Rome will step up to stop its ever accelerating slide away from Anglicanism?Figulushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549064050271896212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-39306090613772284912009-11-18T15:26:06.607+00:002009-11-18T15:26:06.607+00:00As we say here in the US, Father: “Now tell us how...As we say here in the US, Father: “Now tell us how you really feel…!”.<br /><br />Just joking, of course. I do commend your forthrightness and empathize with your feelings of loss and betrayal. Growing up in the Ireland of the 40s and 50s ‘Ecumenism’ wasn’t very much on Irish minds, as I recall. Given our shared history and the political realities of the time I suppose this was not to be GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24444763884456527192009-11-18T15:12:33.167+00:002009-11-18T15:12:33.167+00:00"...we should let nothing stand in the way of..."...we should let nothing stand in the way of the organic unity of all Christ's Church".<br /><br />I quite agree.<br /><br />Why, then, do we have Rome (and others) telling us that rejection of women priests is a unity-busting issue? <br /><br />Either:<br />(a) Rome are wrong (which Fr H will obviously disagree with); or<br />(b) Those who accept women priests are not Christians (Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09367545445575135099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-81980696770413181152009-11-18T14:33:05.993+00:002009-11-18T14:33:05.993+00:00I hereby acknowledge, everyone, that I was one who...I hereby acknowledge, everyone, that I was one who in all innocence (and stupidity) persuaded Graham Leonard et al that Women in the Diaconate was a Good Thing and did not automatically imply the follow-on to the priesthood and episcopate. Mes maxima culpa. I repent in dust and ashes. I have now crossed the Tiber, as witnessed by the author of this blog.discipulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969648603816887222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-77586419900961753332009-11-18T11:33:28.372+00:002009-11-18T11:33:28.372+00:00Fr. Moreton has an interesting tale top tell about...Fr. Moreton has an interesting tale top tell about Graham Leonard, Garry Bennett and others, regarding an attempt to dissuade the then Bishop of London from "ordaining" woman "deacons."William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-11959699693263544992009-11-18T09:35:00.261+00:002009-11-18T09:35:00.261+00:00I believe the author of this blog has indicated th...I believe the author of this blog has indicated that, at least previous to Anglicanorum cœtibus, he feared being left at the mercy of liberal R.C. philistines, without prospect of ever standing again at God's Board...Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-61205767563994011132009-11-18T09:29:02.621+00:002009-11-18T09:29:02.621+00:00Now some new Pentecost, apparently, has revealed t...<i>Now some new Pentecost, apparently, has revealed that the Ordination of Women is an imperative transcending any and every other, including Unity.</i><br /><br />Absolutely spot on (though I'm left wondering what the "imperative transcending Unity" is that's kept you in the Anglican schism).Alberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12407051721186824991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33321323858836317662009-11-18T08:45:07.923+00:002009-11-18T08:45:07.923+00:00A Very Highly Placed (RC) Prelate, very closely in...A Very Highly Placed (RC) Prelate, very closely involved in ARCIC, whose public words have always been eirenical, said to me after the 1992 vote, 'we've been sold down the river'. <br />Mind you, I always thought that the moment it was decided to attempt to ordain women to the diaconate was actually the break moment. I could see no argument (other, I suppose than sexism) that would Pastor in Montehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949810648656544072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-28225738836114313272009-11-18T07:50:06.990+00:002009-11-18T07:50:06.990+00:00I believe there was more: there has been a deep-se...I believe there was more: there has been a deep-seated Anglo-centred Anglican arrogance in all of this: 'Jonny foreigner will learn our superior ways'. <br /><br />Nonetheless your words ring out. We have been deceived. Have you recently re-visited the Meissen and Porvoo Agreements? They make very different reading from ARCIC. Our dealings have been duplicitous and we must repent our partNebulyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11251303196283705580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-55158043610106681882009-11-18T07:42:21.831+00:002009-11-18T07:42:21.831+00:00It was this ecclesiastical three card trick that l...It was this ecclesiastical three card trick that led me to seek reconciliation with a Church that possesses a magisterium tasked with maintaining faith and morals under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70939802391289977112009-11-18T07:03:01.935+00:002009-11-18T07:03:01.935+00:00This insidious method of perverting the course of ...This insidious method of perverting the course of dialogue to encourage, not greater unity of belief, but greater unbelief, doubt and indifference in all their morbid diversity is I think a notable trap of the Enemy. It certainly has had grave effects throughout the Catholic Church in the years since the Council - many religious orders and dioceses have been laid waste by the manipulative use ofJoshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-57613364152369049702009-11-18T06:54:09.309+00:002009-11-18T06:54:09.309+00:00Good to call things what they are!
I too hate sup...Good to call things what they are!<br /><br />I too hate supercilious, mendacious talk of "dialogue" as some revelatory mechanism. To find real points of agreement, to dispel prejudice, fine; but also it should clarify, not shy away from, real points of difference. One wonders whether a Marxian progression from thesis and antithesis to synthesis is the imagined modus operandi.<br /><Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87393368416917231222009-11-18T03:58:43.406+00:002009-11-18T03:58:43.406+00:00Nice to be reminded of the Anglican/Methodist unit...Nice to be reminded of the Anglican/Methodist unity talks. I went and had a look at http://www.anglican-methodist.org.uk/ and was interested to see great reluctance, on both sides, to discuss (or even reveal) the issues that divide them. On one page, however, I managed to find the definitive list of items that divide the two confessions, and I thought I would summarize them here.<br /><br />CPKShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14450108415656796528noreply@blogger.com