tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8549533343155634217..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: ORDINARIATE FESTIVAL (4): More on our RiteFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-39878126600944304812015-06-15T21:15:39.526+01:002015-06-15T21:15:39.526+01:00I agree with Christopher and GOR, the use of EMHCs...I agree with Christopher and GOR, the use of EMHCs has got totally out of hand. I recently attended a Mass where there were nowhere near 100 people in the congregation, and two priests on the altar. And yet there was still an EMHC! I can only suppose the person concerned would have thrown a wobbly if deprived of office. Sadly, in this particular church, which thank the Lord is not in my own Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-53991114143635781522015-06-15T19:33:22.644+01:002015-06-15T19:33:22.644+01:00Mention of the sign of peace reminds me that Our L...Mention of the sign of peace reminds me that Our Lord was betrayed by a kiss. It all smacks of Pelagianism somewhat. Who needs Christ's Sacrifice, when we nice people can all save one another (like hell)?Michael Leahyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15044897013849386271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-78812689038368406022014-10-03T15:52:36.978+01:002014-10-03T15:52:36.978+01:00Even the Japanese Prostestants enjoyed a very elab...Even the Japanese Prostestants enjoyed a very elaborated sacred language for more then 100 years, the classical BUNGO style, used for the translation of the Holy Scripture as well as in hymn etc until the mid of the 1980s. Then, following the modern catholic church which after V-II had introduced a colloquial Japanese, the classical language was given up, and today the sacred idiom has almost Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-76625566055075966502014-09-30T12:10:50.077+01:002014-09-30T12:10:50.077+01:00GOR, I agree entirely, and getting that horse back...GOR, I agree entirely, and getting that horse back into the barn would cause just as much of an uproar. It's now seen as a way to get people "involved" in the Mass, which the current generation in charge treats like a kind of kindergarten for grown-ups. If people aren't "involved" then they'll get bored, so they have to be given things to do. How dare anyone take Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03635743377768116998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16409659236165787042014-09-30T09:56:46.944+01:002014-09-30T09:56:46.944+01:00I agree that ‘ad orientem’ is central to the prope...I agree that ‘ad orientem’ is central to the proper celebration of Mass. The use of EMHCs is another grating abuse.<br /><br />Last weekend I attended the vigil Mass at a nearby parish (full disclosure: I wanted to watch the Ryder Cup uninterrupted on Sunday morning. I know…my bad!). There were about 100 people in the congregation. At communion time ten – ten! – EMHCs converged on the sanctuary.<GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-4744389064154932702014-09-29T18:07:08.950+01:002014-09-29T18:07:08.950+01:00Christopher, well written I think personally as a ...Christopher, well written I think personally as a once young altar boy I was taught how to turn upon the altar and turn my back upon Christ. Today at the bedlam that the sign of peace brings so many turn their back to Christ to bless those behind them. One conversation I had I received a correction of my attitude as the sin of peace was an equivalent to forgiving sins as the bible said so. What aAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-86602374464636206352014-09-29T17:07:49.274+01:002014-09-29T17:07:49.274+01:00In the ling run, It seems to me increasinly eviden...In the ling run, It seems to me increasinly evident that any attempt to base our future uppn the Novus Ordo is going to fail. At best it may provide some useful enrichments for the Classic Roman Rite, but itself it is not only too severe a break from the Tradition to be useful, but also bears the indelible marks of an existentialist-pantheist theology that is radically different from and Fr. Michael LaRuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04824777871450270095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21919715017133962392014-09-29T16:27:28.489+01:002014-09-29T16:27:28.489+01:00Oh Father, come on now - "Eucharistic Prayer ...Oh Father, come on now - "Eucharistic Prayer 1" is NOT the Roman Canon - not when nearly all the Saints may be omitted, not when it has Saint Joseph, not without the Mysterium Fidei, and not with the New Order narrative recitation of the Last Supper substituted for the Consecration - the punctuation and formatting of the text in the new Missal have to do with what it means and Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13240425842855092083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-38791546751100890352014-09-29T14:53:30.853+01:002014-09-29T14:53:30.853+01:00I was very disappointed when I noticed that in the...I was very disappointed when I noticed that in the new English translation of the Novus Ordo you say "and with your spirit" instead of the traditional "and with thy spirit". Eventhough English is a foreign language for me, I have the impression that there are worlds between these two expressions of the same sense, and here it is clearly not a matter of understanding. It is a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-11133964847082726882014-09-29T13:15:15.353+01:002014-09-29T13:15:15.353+01:00Ad Orientem alone would be a huge step in the righ...Ad Orientem alone would be a huge step in the right direction. I'm inclined to think it would be the single most efficacious means of "enriching" the Mass. Of course, the caterwauling that would ensue about how rude it is to "turn your back on the people" would be almost unbearable.Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03635743377768116998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-637397877515159482014-09-29T11:50:31.437+01:002014-09-29T11:50:31.437+01:00For non-Ordinariate parishes, it seems that a lot ...For non-Ordinariate parishes, it seems that a lot could be done even within the current rubrics of the Ordinary Form. I think the key items would be (1) use of Eucharistic Prayer I at least for all Sunday and Holy Day Masses (2) communion kneeling and on the tongue and (3) Ad Orientem.John Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352405449391514146noreply@blogger.com