tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8436792613525069375..comments2024-03-18T20:38:40.751+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: PAXFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19889033415676997142017-02-27T09:24:47.021+00:002017-02-27T09:24:47.021+00:00Not only in the Sarum Use, even the Roman Rite in ...Not only in the Sarum Use, even the Roman Rite in it's '62 form knows this sort of liturgical instrument, called osculatorium or pax-brede.Christoph Hagenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315076974922361846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-80888644677701369182017-02-22T15:46:54.252+00:002017-02-22T15:46:54.252+00:00Would it not be a good idea to reintroduce, for O...Would it not be a good idea to reintroduce, for OF Masses, the way Peace was passed in the Use of Sarum?<br /><br />Here the<i> Pax </i> was a tablet with an image of the Crucifixion, or other sacred image, which was kissed by the priest and passed through the ranks of clergy and choir - not it seems to the congregation. But then in the true Roman Rite (EF) there is no passing of the Peace to neilmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15233733837705102624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16470294143190545552017-02-21T19:07:59.745+00:002017-02-21T19:07:59.745+00:00If the peace is related to communion with Christ, ...If the peace is related to communion with Christ, then would it not be a good thing to extend it to those attending who cannot or will not receive the Eucharist - a sort of incarnation of the idea of spiritual communion, or an extension of an invitation to get themselves ready as soon as possible to be able to receive Him who is our peace. I remember one of my friends children wanting to give me modesty still a virtuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08109102170755117134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-51202502267000459192017-02-20T23:02:23.010+00:002017-02-20T23:02:23.010+00:00In the old Carmelite rite the kiss of peace was sp...In the old Carmelite rite the kiss of peace was specifically linked to the reception of Holy Communion. The priest gives the peace to the deacon with the words: <i> "Habete vinculum pacis et caritates, ut apti sitis sacrosanctis mysteriis Domini nostri Iesu Christi."</i>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00621128117848925453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49081952266929292552017-02-20T20:17:05.135+00:002017-02-20T20:17:05.135+00:00Faux-friendly hypocrisy? That sounds a bit harsh t...Faux-friendly hypocrisy? That sounds a bit harsh to me. I have always valued the moment when I turn to my brothers and sisters in Christ, the ones I know and the ones I don't, and greet them in His name.<br />Of course, we need reminding from time that we are not just saying hello to our friends.<br />Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01824005176362146901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-79770257215474896132017-02-20T18:10:04.983+00:002017-02-20T18:10:04.983+00:00"I doubt whether it would be easy to find muc..."I doubt whether it would be easy to find much patristic support for the thought that Christians ought to be concerned for the unity of the human family qua unredeemed -"<br /><br />You may have hit the nail on the head, Father. I do not practice Catholicism but am dismayed over how one of the historic pillars of the West seems bent on reducing itself to a pious globalist NGO. This OreamnosAmericanushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602268350813211243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-89449079536609390242017-02-20T17:49:29.809+00:002017-02-20T17:49:29.809+00:00By the way we all know it is not obligatory and ne...By the way we all know it is not obligatory and never a priests says so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-78393703485599858282017-02-20T17:47:58.103+00:002017-02-20T17:47:58.103+00:00As an altar boy in the Parish of St Nicholas of To...As an altar boy in the Parish of St Nicholas of Tolentine in Bristol UK. we were sternly lectured often by other altar boys related to each other by blood if we turned out becks on the Altar. I have a great distaste still in doing so and even more so with the bedlam that occurs at the Kiss of Peace. Is it the Church that says we can do this , NO! she does not. The Sign of peace as it is called isAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-5360324325668120362017-02-20T16:54:23.278+00:002017-02-20T16:54:23.278+00:00I was always taught to associate the Peace with th...I was always taught to associate the Peace with the Gospel reading about reconciling with your brother before going to the altar. So of course you have to forgive non-Christians and non-Catholics, too.<br /><br />I like your peace of Christ interpretation, but it is totally new to me!Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-4467993812337500392017-02-20T16:47:35.353+00:002017-02-20T16:47:35.353+00:00I thought the Kiss of Peace was between the offici...I thought the Kiss of Peace was between the officiating priest, the deacons and sub-deacons at a traditional Solemn Pontifical High Mass? At low Mass, of course, there is only priest and altar server and no 'kiss- of peace.' <br /><br />What a mess we find ourselves in when we endlessly tinker.A Daughter of Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01439393756090630198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-35625093166595669722017-02-20T14:10:30.563+00:002017-02-20T14:10:30.563+00:00Thomas,
I like very much that image of the Peace ...Thomas,<br /><br />I like very much that image of the Peace of Christ emanating from the Sacrifice just offered on the altar. It is, after all, a sacrificium placationis, no? Thus, the Pax Christi flows down from the one who offers that Sacrifice and mediates its effects. Lovely.<br /><br />As to the question of why one who cannot, for whatever reason, participate in the consummation of the Ben of the Bayouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07300583569226801488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14210184742051474552017-02-20T12:57:57.460+00:002017-02-20T12:57:57.460+00:00I would say that those, who exchange the osculum p...I would say that those, who exchange the osculum pacis should be able or allowed to receive Holy Communion, but not actually need to do so in order to participate in the Pax rite.Christoph Hagenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315076974922361846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82373967339440240972016-11-13T20:05:35.382+00:002016-11-13T20:05:35.382+00:00I was also told that at Mass it is the Peace of Ch...I was also told that at Mass it is the Peace of Christ himself that descends from the Sacrifice just offered in heaven, which is why the priest first offers his pax to the people and they then pass it to one another. It made sense to me at the time. It's certainly better than a vague, general expression of bonhomie or camaraderie, which is what we often have now, and doesn't necessarily Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com