tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8330270060875147010..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Fake NewsFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70812888956526100412019-12-14T16:44:30.822+00:002019-12-14T16:44:30.822+00:00My apologies, Peter. The absence of quotation mar...My apologies, Peter. The absence of quotation marks threw me off and made me think the defamatory statement concerning the brave Marcel Lefebvre was yours. Coming from the ADL such calumny is not surprising: it is what they do routinely in their campaign to marginalize orthodox Christian voices and eventually make them disappear. It has been key to their mission since its nefarious genesis in coradcorloquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125381369456761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44217364651908423382019-12-07T23:55:36.816+00:002019-12-07T23:55:36.816+00:00Cor ad cor: I thought it useful to check whether M...Cor ad cor: I thought it useful to check whether Mr Covert had accurately identified the attitude of the organization he referred to and to see what it is about. It seemed to me that their reservations about that prayer should be set in context. I gave the reference so that readers could check for themselves. I did not indicate my own view on the texts quoted. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036933832060349206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-37165830096191436272019-12-06T15:03:56.179+00:002019-12-06T15:03:56.179+00:00To refer, even if indirectly as Peter does above, ...To refer, even if indirectly as Peter does above, to the great and holy Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre as an "anti-Semitic schismatic" is astounding calumny and ignorance. To be in harmony with what for 2,000 (pace Vatican II's dilution of Catholic doctrine and tradition, a compromise with the Zeitgeist now sadly and inevitably issuing into formal apostasy and idol worship in the very cor ad cor loquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345983485120856253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44596956915900648142019-12-06T09:38:08.914+00:002019-12-06T09:38:08.914+00:00If anyone wants the measure of Benedict XVI's ...If anyone wants the measure of Benedict XVI's attitude to the Jews, read his remarks on his visit to Auschwitz - one of the most powerful and haunting papal statements I can recall, and much too profound for the intellectual runts of the media to understand.PMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06144651697262763099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-57826194017381926232019-12-05T13:10:50.732+00:002019-12-05T13:10:50.732+00:00The ADL was created to "defend" the repu...The ADL was created to "defend" the reputation of Leo Frank (B'nai B'rith Lodge member) who, in in 1913, raped and killed a young girl who worked in his factory.<br /><br />Among other things, the ADL is a domestic spying operation that has fed The FBI a ton of disinformation about The ADL's enemies.<br /><br />Part of the strategy of the defense of Leo Frank was his Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-65130822696327778732019-12-05T09:06:52.571+00:002019-12-05T09:06:52.571+00:00When I saw the headline, I thought perhaps it refe...When I saw the headline, I thought perhaps it referred to the Pope's having offended the Jews by comparing pollution (or littering or something- hard to tell) to the holocaust.<br /><br />But yes, the ignorance on this case is astonishing. Has anyone written to clarify the situation?<br /><br />Lyle Dunne.Lyle Dunne.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06578026795660218196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-86913585022159966582019-12-04T23:59:00.585+00:002019-12-04T23:59:00.585+00:00Mr Covert may be referring to this article by ADL:...Mr Covert may be referring to this article by ADL:<br />https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/the-german-pope-and-the-jewish-people<br />and this paragraph:<br />His decision to rewrite the old Latin version of the Good Friday prayer (still) titled "For the Conversion of the Jews" -- and his lifting of the excommunication of four bishops from an anti-Semitic schismatic -- were a profound Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036933832060349206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88169274506901566752019-12-04T23:25:15.920+00:002019-12-04T23:25:15.920+00:00Dear Mr Covert
My complaint was about the FACTUAL...Dear Mr Covert<br /><br />My complaint was about the FACTUAL IGNORANCE of the writer. It is quite simply not true that Pope Benedict brought the Ancient Prayer back into general use.<br /><br />Talk about "the doctrine of Vatican II" is equally inaccurate. The (unsatisfactory) Vatican discussion paper of a couple of years ago itself reluctantly admitted that V2 made no DOCTRINAL changes.Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-17324091744205593062019-12-04T18:17:49.403+00:002019-12-04T18:17:49.403+00:00It's not completely fake. The Anti-Defamation...It's not completely fake. The Anti-Defamation League still takes offense at the 2007 Benedict prayer for the extraordinary form, which is:<br /><br />Let us also pray for the Jews: That our God and Lord may illuminate their hearts, that they acknowledge Jesus Christ is the Savior of all men. (Let us pray. Kneel. Rise.) Almighty and eternal God, who want that all men be saved and come to the John Coverthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152565421443271500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-77800330035734183202019-12-04T16:23:24.244+00:002019-12-04T16:23:24.244+00:00Pelerin: I was for many years an Anglican priest, ...Pelerin: I was for many years an Anglican priest, and -- as did your late vicar -- went through a ceremony described in the Book of Common Prayer as the Ordination of Priests. It's an open question whether the Anglican Church believes that the Mass is a sacrifice -- perhaps Fr Hunwicke could enlighten us. Whether it does or it doesn't, the alteration in the 'matter' of the Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06908070025869221948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-66184399056931091442019-12-04T11:42:06.511+00:002019-12-04T11:42:06.511+00:00I am sorry if I have offended anyone by referring ...I am sorry if I have offended anyone by referring to the author mentioned as a 'vicar.' However as I understand the definition of a 'priest' is one who offers sacrifices' and the Anglican Church does not believe in the Sacrifice of the Mass I always refer to Anglican clergymen as vicars.<br /><br /> I would like to add that I was brought up as an Anglican and my vicar would Pelerinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14243859145007696053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-50532730288104485692019-12-04T09:33:52.401+00:002019-12-04T09:33:52.401+00:00Pelerin: I do wish people (Roman Catholic people i...Pelerin: I do wish people (Roman Catholic people in particular) would stop referring indiscriminately to Anglican clerics as "vicars". Peter Mullen was indeed at one time incumbent of a parish where this was his proper title, but at the time of the publication of the book in question he was or was about to become Priest-in-Charge (official title) of St Michael, Cornhill, in the City ofMatthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06908070025869221948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-13628327927360420422019-12-04T04:51:15.056+00:002019-12-04T04:51:15.056+00:00Fake news we'd wish to be true...Fake news we'd wish to be true...Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-18753871881263257442019-12-03T22:38:04.907+00:002019-12-03T22:38:04.907+00:00I've now written twice to the BBC to inform th...I've now written twice to the BBC to inform them that Cardinal Nichols is NOT "Head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales" as he is invariably described in the media. He is the Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster, and has no jurisdiction outside of that Archdiocese. Do the b*****s listen? Fat chance!<br />Colin Spinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06187466247865796371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-31921544462921332472019-12-03T20:39:11.084+00:002019-12-03T20:39:11.084+00:00Wanting the entire Jewish race to be saved isn'...Wanting the entire Jewish race to be saved isn't precisely what I had thought antisemitism was. I suppose it's a point of view; a bit of a head-scratcher, though.<br /><br />How does he feel about this bit from the preces of Lauds on 31 December:<br /><br />Christe, Deus et homo, qui Dominus es David et filius eius, prophetias adimplens,<br />-- te rogamus, ut Israel te Messiam agnoscat.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00621128117848925453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-81936069038713179962019-12-03T14:12:44.298+00:002019-12-03T14:12:44.298+00:00This post as it stands is confusing for those who ...This post as it stands is confusing for those who don't already know the liturgical texts in question or the history of their changes (i.e. for us ignoramuses).<br /><br />Please add:<br />1. An English translation of the Latin prayer for the Jews as found in Tridentine mass in its 1962 usage as promulgated by Pope John XXIII (the text banned by Benedict XVI?). How far back does this prayer More info pleasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01367584554750450140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24303939092340973732019-12-03T12:14:22.570+00:002019-12-03T12:14:22.570+00:00And not only newspapers! I have a book written by ...And not only newspapers! I have a book written by an Anglican vicar (Shrines of Our Lady by Peter Mullen) which states that 'the famous Cure d'Ars carried the stigmata in his palms.' A quick google would find out that the Cure d'Ars was not one of those honoured in this way.<br /><br />Mullen also writes about what he calls the shrine of 'Our Lady of the PILLOW' in Pelerinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14243859145007696053noreply@blogger.com