tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8310187748421047051..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Forward in FaithFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12807261003673072372010-10-21T01:58:07.802+01:002010-10-21T01:58:07.802+01:00Franciscus de Santa Clars alias Christopher Davenp...Franciscus de Santa Clars alias Christopher Davenport, brother of the Puritan divine John Davenport, the first minister of New Haven colony in 1640. His work *Deus ... Natira ... Gratia* of 1634 is a long detailed attempt to do what Newman later attempted with more brevity in Tract 90, although Davenport did admit that there were some few things in the Articles that were incompatible with Trent.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-45392251125464001792010-10-20T21:16:03.140+01:002010-10-20T21:16:03.140+01:00But do Anglican clergypersons have to swear to the...But do Anglican clergypersons have to swear to the Articles anymore anyway? I thought Free Thought now reigns; or, rather, new Articles about certain modern dogmas are enforced instead...Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59928676153433813522010-10-20T21:12:51.332+01:002010-10-20T21:12:51.332+01:00I believe there was a Franciscan ecumenist, someth...I believe there was a Franciscan ecumenist, something de Santa Clara, who wrote the Tract 90 of the Caroline age, shewing how to read the Articles in a Catholic manner.<br /><br />I honestly prefer the joke that Anglican cassocks have 39 buttons, one for each Article, and you only do up the ones you agree with!Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-15607050828568242052010-10-20T20:24:25.851+01:002010-10-20T20:24:25.851+01:00Such 'tortuous'activity goes back well bef...Such 'tortuous'activity goes back well before Blessed John Henry Newman, to Roman Catholic writers of that delightfully eirenic decade, the 1630s.Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-54302414722625944532010-10-19T16:11:04.127+01:002010-10-19T16:11:04.127+01:00It is precisely the plain, literal, and grammatica...<i>It is precisely the plain, literal, and grammatical sense of the Articles that Church Papists can snuggle under.</i><br /><br />It seems to me one would have to employ some tortuous logical contortions to be able to put a Catholic slant on Article 19, 22, 25, 28 and 31. From plain reading the meaning seems pretty clear.Conchúrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06616869558976756046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-32254256120070356532010-10-19T12:33:37.879+01:002010-10-19T12:33:37.879+01:00It is precisely the plain, literal, and grammatica...It is precisely the plain, literal, and grammatical sense of the Articles that Church Papists can snuggle under. For example: when the Articles say that the Bishop of Rome has no jurisdiction in this realm of England, one can say that he has indeed no authority as far as the Realm, the political secular institution, is concerned, but, ecclesiastically ...<br /><br />It is once you take account ofFr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-89122207716814885992010-10-18T12:49:57.787+01:002010-10-18T12:49:57.787+01:00I should have thought that most of what Anglo-Cath...I should have thought that most of what Anglo-Catholics stand for is not permitted by the Articless, at least "the plain and Full meaning thereof... in the literal and grammatical sense".<br /><br />It reminds me of the torments and mental gymnastics suffered by advanced clergymen approaching ordination and the concomitant need to swear to them that old novels portrayed. (As one former Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-50273478958803128992010-10-18T11:27:09.689+01:002010-10-18T11:27:09.689+01:00The funniest I heard (on Saturday) was the layman ...The funniest I heard (on Saturday) was the layman who objected to the ordinariate on the grounds that it was not permitted by something called the "thirty-nine articles". Whatever they are.AndrewWShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00196842185913965725noreply@blogger.com