tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8287284293393240661..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Irreversibly Bye Bye to Vatican IIFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-54814461359955711122017-09-21T15:57:10.759+01:002017-09-21T15:57:10.759+01:00Many thanks to Colin Spinks for the link to the Un...Many thanks to Colin Spinks for the link to the Universalis.com Latin Liturgy of the Hours. I wasn't able to find it before.Robert John Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05581501700793236391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-32221618048635946292017-09-20T22:10:28.811+01:002017-09-20T22:10:28.811+01:00http://divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/horas/officium....http://divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/horas/officium.pl<br /><br />The content of that site is also accessible through the excellent iMass app which allows anyone with this Android or iTunes app to follow the Office or Mass for any given day, including most of the Missal calendar or Breviary revisions (not that of Urban VIII for some reason), and an option to enable or turn off rubrics. In addition Prayerfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01561992635589480308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-83869003019237306872017-09-20T18:10:16.735+01:002017-09-20T18:10:16.735+01:00I see a couple of comments here about Cardinal Sar...I see a couple of comments here about Cardinal Sarah's recent remarks. <br /><br />These are legitimate. Reading this in conjunction with those recent comments that priests should not pray the office on electronic devices with apps designated for the purpose, it's feeling like quite the squeeze play. <br />Steve Skojechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01213758694276612233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-76822690286346091412017-09-20T15:46:11.746+01:002017-09-20T15:46:11.746+01:00Given that the copyright holder has no plans to re...Given that the copyright holder has no plans to reprint (and thus derive profit), I think that might affect my decision to copy portions for personal use.CE Userhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889864905674203341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-89611950917478253252017-09-20T15:05:32.927+01:002017-09-20T15:05:32.927+01:00There are currently at least two 4-volume sets ava...There are currently at least two 4-volume sets available on Ebay right now. One is in Australia and the other in Italy. (A third set is bulked with the Readings of the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin.)<br /><br />They all cost a small fortune.<br /> <br />https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=+Liturgia+Horarum+&_sacat=0<br /><br />And here below is the link to a Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00003965922434128196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62535936037856566752017-09-19T20:18:01.282+01:002017-09-19T20:18:01.282+01:00"Individual cases" means that the Bishop..."Individual cases" means that the Bishop can't issue a general norm permitting the vernacular. Presumably, he needs at least to scrawl his signature on a printed dispensation. I wonder how many such dispensations were ever issued. My bet: very few. Because, when itr suited people, they just stopped bothering about the "mandates of V2".Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-54016379746072472282017-09-19T20:15:50.358+01:002017-09-19T20:15:50.358+01:00Good Evening Father,
Father Maunder warmly invites...<br />Good Evening Father,<br />Father Maunder warmly invites you and your readers to the Cathedral of the Car Parks for a Mass in honour of Our Lady of Walsingham. Perhaps you’d be so kind as to advertise this on your blog? I include the details below.<br /><br />Thank you<br /><br />HIGH MASS & PROCESSION<br />(Divine Worship Missal)<br /><br />The Feast of Our Lady of Walsingham<br /><br /RC Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04160776604104139900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-27841929104727049532017-09-19T19:03:18.756+01:002017-09-19T19:03:18.756+01:00First of all the document does not say only in rar...First of all the document does not say only in rare cases that the divine office only be said in Latin. The leitmotif of this document, is "this is the norm", "but" and every "but" is an escape clause to pretty much interpret it anyway you want. So if you read the norms, I listed them below, there are several ways to escape the first norm. Case in point, the second James Bellisariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01786370386909499672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-42746387274794022682017-09-19T19:01:12.962+01:002017-09-19T19:01:12.962+01:00Rick Allen: the MTF edition is out of print as wel...Rick Allen: the MTF edition is out of print as well. Brian Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05923575766779901002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-48927374044847154232017-09-19T18:41:16.409+01:002017-09-19T18:41:16.409+01:00Well, snark aside, I think the thinking is clear: ...Well, snark aside, I think the thinking is clear: "All sections of Sacrosanctum Concilium using the word 'Latin' are now considered to be 'overtaken by events.'" Lawyers might simply call it <i>desuetude</i>. <br /><br />In any event, it may become something of a moot point in many of the most concerned cohorts, since they'll have run out of priests to say the Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-57360222230524474452017-09-19T17:48:20.352+01:002017-09-19T17:48:20.352+01:00The Latin Liturgia Horarum is available in America...The Latin Liturgia Horarum is available in America in a larger-print six-volume edition from Midwest Theological Forum. Imprimator is from Cardinal George, the books themselves rather beautifully printed in Italy.<br /><br />Just because it's no longer printed by the Vatican doesn't mean it isn't available, or cherished by some of us.rick allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612435616018593956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12455453995478731702017-09-19T17:16:24.821+01:002017-09-19T17:16:24.821+01:00Perhaps they realize that with the advent of smart...Perhaps they realize that with the advent of smart phone Breviary applications, there is no need to waste paper on books: <br /><br />http://www.universalis.com/L/Europe.England.Ordinariate/0/readings.htm<br /><br />The Universalis app also provides the official Grail psalms, and the second year readings for the Office of Readings. <br /><br />Just don't tell Cardinal Sarah you plan to use Brian Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05923575766779901002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-30776479049725942722017-09-19T16:43:53.176+01:002017-09-19T16:43:53.176+01:00I already cherished my four volumes of the vinyl L...I already cherished my four volumes of the vinyl Liturgica Horarum, which I had recovered with hard backing. It has been my constant companion for the Office for 20<br />years, first as an Anglican priest, now as a Roman layman. Whatever you may say about it as an Office for the clergy, it is ideal for a layman. I suppose that it will last<br />me for the rest of my life, since like you, Father,Feed Room Fivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03495282502799133124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-43286973348052734182017-09-19T14:57:57.159+01:002017-09-19T14:57:57.159+01:00Father, do you think Blackwell's would be able...Father, do you think Blackwell's would be able to re-print the Marquess of Bute 1908 Roman Breviary in hard cover at a reasonable price?TomGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13820093390599273051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-17404219345357213082017-09-19T14:53:55.765+01:002017-09-19T14:53:55.765+01:00Thank you for this insightful post, Father. Whenev...Thank you for this insightful post, Father. Whenever I hear someone mention "Vatican II", I immediately think of "Lambeth MCMXXX". It is like a word association test that a doctor might give to a patient, where the doctor says "up" and the patient says "down". The doctor says "red" and the patient says "green". You get the idea. Where SCorate fratmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04618744702928236293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9678267034893918592017-09-19T12:45:51.708+01:002017-09-19T12:45:51.708+01:00Ratzinger on Traditional Liturgy. Here is what Car...Ratzinger on Traditional Liturgy. Here is what Cardinal Ratzinger wrote in 1998.<br />" ... It is good here to recall what Cardinal Newman observed*, that the Church, throughout her history, has never abolished nor forbidden orthodox liturgical forms, which would be quite alien to the Spirit of the Church. An orthodox liturgy, that is to say, one which expresses the true faith, is never a Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605312123658616414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67662897649332979802017-09-19T11:49:16.178+01:002017-09-19T11:49:16.178+01:00Father, perhaps to be more charitable, the powers ...Father, perhaps to be more charitable, the powers that be are nudging you towards using your lap-top, tablet or iPhone to recite the Offices. There are free downloadable sites where the Liturgy of the Hours in Latin may be found, e.g..http://universalis.com/L/0/vespers.htm<br /><br />We must be aware of the environmental costs of all this reprinting, y'know!Colin Spinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06187466247865796371noreply@blogger.com