tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8247807957181649818..comments2024-03-29T09:39:50.604+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: TechnicalitiesFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1614299058166969622009-11-04T15:27:17.279+00:002009-11-04T15:27:17.279+00:00Michael - this is exactly what I first thought abo...Michael - this is exactly what I first thought about when reading this post. The Rosary, though extra-liturgical, is by no means completely removed from the liturgical action of the day. In the revised order of mysteries, for instance, the glorious mysteries are normally said on the Sunday, thus linking it to the day of Resurrection. On Thursday the Luminous mysteries are said - which feature, Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624191166989824833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-53296347329160462302009-11-03T15:22:28.618+00:002009-11-03T15:22:28.618+00:00As "supporting evidence" for John's ...As "supporting evidence" for John's view, I can say that during the Paschal Triduum I (and some others) substitute for the Glorias the Antiphon which can be found in the Liturgy of the Hours, in place of the Responsorial at Lauds and Vespers:<br /><br />Holy Thursday:<br />Christus factus est pro nobis oboediens usque ad mortem.<br /><br />Good Friday:<br />Christus factus est pro Michael McDonoughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384055883425252489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-23242491186707000492009-11-03T00:25:53.144+00:002009-11-03T00:25:53.144+00:00The concern that the Rosary be recited "prope...The concern that the Rosary be recited "properly" is probably based in concern for getting the indulgences attached to its recitation. The new Enchiridion still provides for indulgences for the Rosary so I suppose the concern is still well founded.<br /><br />The old strict definition of the Rosary only included the ten Aves separated by the Paters. Even though the custom now includesJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00621128117848925453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-25141638813991483482009-11-02T23:01:06.734+00:002009-11-02T23:01:06.734+00:00Since the recitation of the Rosary is not a liturg...Since the recitation of the Rosary is not a liturgical devotion, I would say that it makes no difference at all.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71783271778001214572009-11-02T21:46:59.104+00:002009-11-02T21:46:59.104+00:00ARIG is a recent (last 10-20 years) solecism that ...ARIG is a recent (last 10-20 years) solecism that seems to originate in middle-of-the-road Anglicanism.<br /><br />One might speculate about the liturgical ignorance and the psychological and doctrinal hang-ups that lie behind it, but to little purpose.<br /><br />Sadly ARIG is highly infectious and is now used by many People Who Should Know Better.<br /><br />Be warned and resist!Sir Watkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02000106556898498656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-86017031884544378402009-11-02T14:23:09.876+00:002009-11-02T14:23:09.876+00:00"'... And rise in glory' appears to b..."'... And rise in glory' appears to be an Anglican addition. We never use it in the Catholic Church."<br /><br />Deo gratias!<br /><br />"And rise in glory" reminds me of a pro-basketball radio announcer who upon a made hoop always exclaimed, "He rises and scores!" I think it was one of the Albert brothers who, if you will recall, had issues with dressing inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49167762759380029562009-11-02T12:02:34.137+00:002009-11-02T12:02:34.137+00:00As a commenter above notes, the Rosary, being a pe...As a commenter above notes, the Rosary, being a personal, private, non-liturgical devotion, is quite malleable in its form; in Germany, for instance, it is customary to refer within the Hail Mary to the mystery being meditated (eg, "blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus, Who rose from the dead").Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00177229954159024309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-45027519583073361822009-11-02T11:41:21.299+00:002009-11-02T11:41:21.299+00:00'... And rise in glory' appears to be an A...'... And rise in glory' appears to be an Anglican addition. We never use it in the Catholic Church.Mauricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02262499349555966043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-72924321664849551582009-11-02T11:23:26.087+00:002009-11-02T11:23:26.087+00:00What would 'may he rest in peace' mean if ...What would 'may he rest in peace' mean if it didn't mean 'may his soul rest in peace'? And if it means the same thing isn't 'and rise in glory' a mistake?The Novocastrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01653211980874016993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-72437135685337866742009-11-02T10:33:30.093+00:002009-11-02T10:33:30.093+00:00There certainly seem to be doctrinal problems when...There certainly seem to be doctrinal problems when "… and rise in glory" is used as a response to "May the souls of the faithful, through the mercy of God, rest in peace." We believe in the resurrection of the <i>body</i>. I don't know what meaning, if any, can be given to the idea of the resurrection of the <i>soul</i>.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010105719301587195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-252847048817193062009-11-02T10:22:04.291+00:002009-11-02T10:22:04.291+00:00Could I ask a different but connected 'All Sou...Could I ask a different but connected 'All Souls' question? <br /><br />I was brought up to understand the response to 'May they rest in peace' was 'Amen'. Why do we now hear 'and rise in glory'?<br /><br />Are there any doctrinal implications?Edmonton Christian Studieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09626581185325820329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-38902104780410675562009-11-02T09:59:43.111+00:002009-11-02T09:59:43.111+00:00I've always understood that since the Rosary i...I've always understood that since the Rosary is a non-liturgical devotion its traditional schema is followed, regardless of the day. However, being that it is a personal and often private devotion its form is maleable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com