tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8203187189178296745..comments2024-03-28T14:19:53.973+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Renewing your vowsFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59241090009426025802020-04-27T14:14:10.426+01:002020-04-27T14:14:10.426+01:00I like renewing my baptismal vows. It is exciting,...I like renewing my baptismal vows. It is exciting, even more than saying the Credo. There's just something awesome about again and again saying what you believe and don't believe, and about clinging to Jesus while also rejecting the Devil like a dirty shirt! <br /><br />I guess I'm the sort of person who Chesterton was talking about, when he talked about the joy of a child yelling &Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-52131347696461079032020-04-24T23:52:55.401+01:002020-04-24T23:52:55.401+01:00There is a fundamental difference between the rene...There is a fundamental difference between the renewal of marriage vows and baptismal or ordination vows. The vows of marriage are an essential part of the of the form of the sacrament. Without those vows, which signify the consent of the couple, no marriage can take place. Renewing these vows is then problematic because it seems to imply a repeat of the sacrament which, between any two people, An Liaighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01203781734773806323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-5030123843043331452020-04-24T10:17:43.227+01:002020-04-24T10:17:43.227+01:00Our gracious Sovereign Lady, on the occasion of he...Our gracious Sovereign Lady, on the occasion of her Diamond Jubilee, was presented with the suggestion that she might, at the service in St Paul's 'cathedral', renew her Coronation vows as a symbolic public act (we are much into those nowadays). She is reported to have refused.<br /><br />She refused on the grounds that she had made her Coronation vows once for all time, and that Josephus Muris Saliensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10888638147153175697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-61578281368076341662020-04-23T23:27:07.146+01:002020-04-23T23:27:07.146+01:00I don't see a great problem here, apart from t...I don't see a great problem here, apart from the initial renunciation of Satan (or of Sin) most of this is assent to the Apostles Creed. The current OF Missal encourages the use of the Apostles Creed during Lent and Easter, so the sentiments are expressed in these words regularly by the congregation.<br />There is problem, which is that people are often just reading these things off the page E sapelionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09886268559214926797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-4256322528015303422020-04-23T21:09:23.924+01:002020-04-23T21:09:23.924+01:00Whenever I am asked: “do you want to renew your we...Whenever I am asked: “do you want to renew your wedding vows” I reply: “no thank you. Mine are still valid.”Frugifexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05511130283740902031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-45946572501241819302020-04-23T18:35:55.332+01:002020-04-23T18:35:55.332+01:00The renewal of Baptismal vows is not just some new...The renewal of Baptismal vows is not just some new-fangled, Bugninian thing. The great St Louis de Montfort used to ask or invite his penitents to renew their vows of baptism.Fr PJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597780307057121375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16888420140290310932020-04-23T18:17:22.419+01:002020-04-23T18:17:22.419+01:00I frankly wonder, Father, whether the baptismal vo...I frankly wonder, Father, whether the baptismal vows being renewed actually exist. When I am presiding at the Baptism of an infant in the new rite, the point comes when, addressing the parents and godparents, I say, "If your faith makes you ready to accept these responsibilities, renew now your own baptismal promises." And, prompted by me, they do. <br /><br />In the traditional rite I Father Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341682385500940879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70475001347941784132020-04-23T17:58:16.181+01:002020-04-23T17:58:16.181+01:00In the terminology of marketing and advertising, t...In the terminology of marketing and advertising, these ceremonies would be understood as attempts to dispel "buyer's remorse".<br /><br />In the C of E, every man is his own Pope, so a few years ago I splashed out on some fancy red slippers, a purchase which I almost instantly regretted despite the visual joke it provides. Only since we have been confined to our homes, have I truly william arthurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16447813388196156894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-36310902654490740752020-04-23T17:48:00.288+01:002020-04-23T17:48:00.288+01:00Father - you have just spelt out just what I have ...Father - you have just spelt out just what I have been thinking some years now - thank youRichard Downhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12561762001065895415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-4982134544816979242020-04-23T14:42:30.003+01:002020-04-23T14:42:30.003+01:00I do not see the danger in thinking, because we re...I do not see the danger in thinking, because we renew our vows on solemn occasions, that these vows are dissoluble. <br /><br />Further, on taking certain kinds of public office in the Church, such as receiving a Mandatum to teach theology or at ordination, it is an ancient tradition that those receiving the office are required to profess their faith. I do not take it that renewing a profession StMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03396530635424749173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14524450788904841992020-04-23T12:59:35.268+01:002020-04-23T12:59:35.268+01:00Dear Father. Owing to the new book of blessings it...Dear Father. Owing to the new book of blessings it is more that quit possible that the <i>Holy Water Stoup</i> of an N.O. Parish contains wholly water.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9839576971649861612020-04-23T12:37:29.917+01:002020-04-23T12:37:29.917+01:00There is a section on renewal of vows in Father Fr...There is a section on renewal of vows in Father Frederick Faber's "All for Jesus." Chapter 8 (Praise and Desire), Section 7 (Practices...), Paragraph 4. <br /><br />It's much too long to quote in totum, but here are a few excerpts:<br /><br />"It is another instance of the artifices of God’s love. Just as He allows us to offer to Him the mysteries of Jesus, as if they were Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01408148945464169442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24394454190159602912020-04-23T12:36:04.514+01:002020-04-23T12:36:04.514+01:00"Renewing your vows" is sentimental rubb..."Renewing your vows" is sentimental rubbish. It is, however, big business. In Los Angeles, there is a mini-industry devoted to helping couples renew their vows. They will arrange for a "pastor", a suitable location (the beach?) or more likely the ballroom of a Marriott hotel) and a big after-party at which music from the era in which they got married, will be endlessly played.Eviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03219566633863054386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-56338990592553395032020-04-23T11:44:03.778+01:002020-04-23T11:44:03.778+01:00This is a post I wanted to write but am so glad yo...This is a post I wanted to write but am so glad you have. For a long time I have been arguing against these unnecessary renewals but have felt like the lonely voice in the wilderness. I do hope you don't mind that I shall be in future arguments citing this post to support my position.PDLeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11171018485666034406noreply@blogger.com