tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8105878052415842554..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Ecce Sacerdos Magnus! (5)Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71411140387433389012023-06-20T12:46:42.931+01:002023-06-20T12:46:42.931+01:00Very interesting. David Hope's down to earthne...Very interesting. David Hope's down to earthness was/is of a different order from Treacy's. John Hudson was another of the curate precentors who had to keep his light under a bushel. I think when all is said and done, Wakefield as, at best, what they used to call 'Prayer Book Catholic'. Can you imagine full-faith churches substituting the Ten Commandments for the Kyries during Expeditushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13425085467560855359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9532263758143348902023-06-18T23:34:41.484+01:002023-06-18T23:34:41.484+01:00Thank you Expeditus, and I bow to your greater kno...Thank you Expeditus, and I bow to your greater knowledge. I only came to anglo catholicism in 1970. Worshipping at College at St Lukes Derby, and at home at St.Peters Horbury. Certainly then one of the Cathedral clergy, Fr John Hudson was the full works. One last word on Bishops. My late other, very middle of the road ( St Johns Wakefield ) who deeply disapproved of my 'romanism' cosmas and damienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199160329253247681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62662028739613708152023-06-18T23:21:38.571+01:002023-06-18T23:21:38.571+01:00Thank you Expeditus, I bow to your greater knowle...Thank you Expeditus, I bow to your greater knowledge. I only discovered anglo catholicism in 1970, worshipping at St. Peters Horbury whilst at home and St Lukes Derby whilst at college. Certainly then at least one of the Cathedral clergy, Fr John Hudson was the fullworks. One last comment refering back to bishops. My late mother,very middle of the road establishment ( St Johns ) ,who cosmas and damienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199160329253247681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-23295671534943592662023-06-18T12:45:31.813+01:002023-06-18T12:45:31.813+01:00I am late with my question-comment. Does anyone kn...I am late with my question-comment. Does anyone know how these Pontifical rites in Oxford compare with the Robert Mortimer/Patrick Ferguson Davie regime in Exeter [see The Bishop In Church] I did meet ex-servers who told me about their splendour and the vesting in the lady Chapel and the use of the salver for the Episcopal ring - but I wish I had asked more. That world is dead,gone and buried.Shaun Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00884286568978407343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-72031218709940343292023-06-18T12:42:42.489+01:002023-06-18T12:42:42.489+01:00Fr. Hunwicke, this series of posts on the "Tr...Fr. Hunwicke, this series of posts on the "Tridentinized" ordinal service was extremely interesting to read. Is there by any chance you could share the texts with us? I would love to study its details. Paulus Babylonishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313726706963654567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-28015860082577929252023-06-17T10:41:45.517+01:002023-06-17T10:41:45.517+01:00Reflecting further on the complexities of Anglican...Reflecting further on the complexities of Anglican life in the fifties and sixties, I cannot accept that Wakefield Cathedral was Anglo-Catholic. If so, then what must we call the full-faith churches like St Alban's Holborn or St Mary's Graham Street - or, indeed, the parishes of Barnsley's 'biretta belt'? Consider the rite of the 'Solemn Eucharist' - never 'High Expeditushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13425085467560855359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59640118191269777582023-06-17T08:01:35.632+01:002023-06-17T08:01:35.632+01:00The best Founders' Day preacher I can remember...The best Founders' Day preacher I can remember was Fr John Barton (whose father had been Headmaster of QEGS) who took as his text: Keep innocency and do the things that is right for that shall bring a man peace at the last.<br />My parents knew Treacy socially and thought he was wonderfully 'down to earth'. That says it all! Expeditushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13425085467560855359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-89897961667346322422023-06-16T13:53:52.482+01:002023-06-16T13:53:52.482+01:00I'm not sure I agree with expeditus. My uncle ...I'm not sure I agree with expeditus. My uncle sang alto in the choir. When he died I came across a number of anglo catholic manuals ( St. Swithuns prayer book, Catholic prayers for church of england people etc.) They were scribbled in pencil notes, how to serve at mass and so forth. My eldest brother was head boy in the choir. He would sing at High Mass at 6.30 in the morning on a feast day Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14600962175493496784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-64150798591544118872023-06-15T13:34:10.712+01:002023-06-15T13:34:10.712+01:00Wakefield was High Church rather than Anglo-Cathol...Wakefield was High Church rather than Anglo-Catholic. Indeed, Hopkins undermined the advanced development that had been going under his predecessor Canon McLeod. McCleod (uncle, I think, of the Iona man) had been going to introduce the English Missal but this was thwarted by his premature death. Hopkins was more of a St Paul's/Westminster Abbey type.<br />As for Treacy, he was a great Expeditushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13425085467560855359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-63562123166969497182023-06-14T22:38:54.769+01:002023-06-14T22:38:54.769+01:00I lament, Scotchlil, to observe that short of a mi...I lament, Scotchlil, to observe that short of a miracle, "restoring that which was always and everywhere believed and practised" (that hollowed and pithy summary of Catholicism) stands little or no chance of being implemented under Francis or the candidate chosen pope by the stacked college of cardinals he has so carefully prepared for the future. Ah, the children of this world being coradcorloquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125381369456761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-41808222974904241752023-06-14T10:49:04.361+01:002023-06-14T10:49:04.361+01:00I was once restrained, during Mass at Bourne Stree...I was once restrained, during Mass at Bourne Street some decades ago, from lobbing a hymn-book at Woolcombe as he stood in the pulpit. He had already wrought havoc at Coates Hall, and was recently retired from the see of Oxford. He began his sermon that, although he had practically no parochial experience, he was now curate of half a dozen Worcestershire parishes as assistant to his wife, the &#scotchlilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06518174475224623151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-20941936344533786622023-06-14T08:47:05.711+01:002023-06-14T08:47:05.711+01:00Talk of bishops in their cathedrals reminds me of ...Talk of bishops in their cathedrals reminds me of the rather low church train spotting BIshop of Wakefield Eric Treacy who had to put up with the very anglo catholic goings on in his Cathedral, which could put inn a claim to be the highest in the land under Provost Hopkins.<br />The tale goes that when the bishop was presented with the incense to bless, instead of the traditional words of Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14600962175493496784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88554527794643422822023-06-13T17:32:03.557+01:002023-06-13T17:32:03.557+01:00Beautifully expressed Father. So Oxford, so hopele...Beautifully expressed Father. So Oxford, so hopeless. El Codohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01057779410347215062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-8899589924712991382023-06-13T11:50:06.163+01:002023-06-13T11:50:06.163+01:00Ah, those Pontifical Masses at the throne in Chris...Ah, those Pontifical Masses at the throne in Christ Church (oddly with everything bar incense!). I cannot speak for Ordinations but Woolcombe certainly continued with the festal masses. Michael Watts, the precentor, as the AP in cope with Gilling, the college chaplain, as one of the SM's and a seminarian from Staggers the other (sometimes 'Blanche' Leechman, later of Nashdom and Expeditushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13425085467560855359noreply@blogger.com