tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8096279869061260198..comments2024-03-28T20:30:48.788+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Ecumenical AgreementsFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-6118535822826585732017-10-30T13:13:38.154+00:002017-10-30T13:13:38.154+00:00Did I write CSL, I meant GKC!Did I write CSL, I meant GKC!Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-84455602697374020652017-10-29T14:39:18.019+00:002017-10-29T14:39:18.019+00:00"Amateur Brain Surgeon" - US of A may be..."Amateur Brain Surgeon" - US of A may be a "state with the soul of a Church", though in a different way from Spain, as CSL considered.<br /><br />But US of A was not promised doctrinal indefectibility, unlike the Church.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-79376909804724048552017-10-29T14:36:56.802+00:002017-10-29T14:36:56.802+00:00"As a thought experiment, insofar as we are l...<i>"As a thought experiment, insofar as we are limited to Holy Scriptures and extant writings, what did the Apostles teach of the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father through the Son? What was their teaching of our Lord's Godhead and humanity as compared to the Chalcedonian Definition?"</i><br /><br />Nothing contrary to Chalcedon, and if there is something contrary to filioque, Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-54798814388926608232017-10-29T14:34:46.663+00:002017-10-29T14:34:46.663+00:00"I start with Bl. Newman's Development of...<i>"I start with Bl. Newman's Development of Doctrine. Two statements following one another in time may have formal non-identity, and yet the latter is an authentic development of the former."</i><br /><br />Development of Doctrine was written as a first explanation of his conversion, before his Catholic Catechism was complete.<br /><br />It was deliberately and on orders of the Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-17919634073852466672017-10-25T22:40:37.136+01:002017-10-25T22:40:37.136+01:00ABS is in receipt of a calming email from Professo...ABS is in receipt of a calming email from Professor Herman NuDix of Continuity College in Rome;<br /><br /><i>ABS, I do agree with you that at one time the idea of having two or more supreme subjects was confined to the City of Man and manifestly popularised by the beautiful and talented three member girl group from Motown, The Supremes, led by Diana Ross, but in their wisdom, during the most Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24752254396024811952017-10-25T20:12:14.400+01:002017-10-25T20:12:14.400+01:00Yes, but Jonathan, even they do not speak with the...Yes, but Jonathan, even they do not speak with the bold directness we must have. We'll all know it when we hear it, if we ever hear it, because it will attach names with the label "apostate" or "heretic", with a bold warning to the faithful not to have anything to do with such persons or their teaching. <br />Anything short of that, is waffling. Waffling leaves the Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-42446084672763749972017-10-25T16:07:36.735+01:002017-10-25T16:07:36.735+01:00"Where are Christ's defenders today!! Whe..."Where are Christ's defenders today!! Where is the man, it is too much to hope for more than one, who will put himself on the firing line ..."<br /><br />For a start Cardinals Sarah and Burke who have already paid the price for speaking the truth in their various demotions and humiliations. John Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352405449391514146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26083021488771845302017-10-25T14:39:00.075+01:002017-10-25T14:39:00.075+01:00Fr. Hunwicke, I forgot where I was. My apologies t...Fr. Hunwicke, I forgot where I was. My apologies to you, most sincerely. We must consider the venue, and I will be sure to carefully consider my comments when visiting your blog, out of the deepest respect for you.Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-42254152572140955922017-10-25T14:07:28.094+01:002017-10-25T14:07:28.094+01:00"So, if the two snapshots show non-identity, ...<br />"So, if the two snapshots show non-identity, perhaps CCC is not same faith as Catechism of Trent?"<br /><br />Yes and no. <br /><br />I start with Bl. Newman's Development of Doctrine. Two statements following one another in time may have formal non-identity, and yet the latter is an authentic development of the former.<br /><br />As a thought experiment, insofar as we are Mario Josipovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038990937345581165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-5797224565213918252017-10-25T10:54:54.913+01:002017-10-25T10:54:54.913+01:00"I am weak on my Church history, and so can t...<i>"I am weak on my Church history, and so can think only of the Council of Trent as having similarly captured as broad a "snapshot" of magisterial teaching. (Of course, there is the wonderful Baltimore Catechism!)"</i><br /><br />So, if the two snapshots show non-identity, perhaps CCC is not same faith as Catechism of Trent?Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-47465150003974800502017-10-25T10:53:05.749+01:002017-10-25T10:53:05.749+01:00"For one thing -- in science, nothing is ever...<i>"For one thing -- in science, nothing is ever definitively proved. If you go with someone really rigid about physical sciences, like Popper, the best you can get is "this is a really well-supported theory," or "there is no evidence to the contrary, as yet.""</i><br /><br />This is one view on the nature of scientific proof, and not one shared by all scientists.<brHans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40083819852879264892017-10-25T10:28:01.706+01:002017-10-25T10:28:01.706+01:00I do beg those who comment to be careful. It was m...I do beg those who comment to be careful. It was made clear to me five years ago by a bishop that bishops regard clerical bloggers as responsible for the comments on their blogs. I suspect that is why so many blogs nowadays do not accept comments. I would vastly regret going down that path, because I retain a little bit of the old 1960s belief in free speech!<br /><br />We live in a very narrow Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9098571233708491332017-10-25T04:26:03.044+01:002017-10-25T04:26:03.044+01:00You took the words right out of my mouth, Kathleen...You took the words right out of my mouth, Kathleen1031 - thank you!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12177827661591645391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-23246622042346971052017-10-25T00:23:44.073+01:002017-10-25T00:23:44.073+01:00I pray that the Ordinariates will play the role th...I pray that the Ordinariates will play the role that Kathleen suggests. So far, I am not terribly encouraged.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384546784424640486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-10700138091923450942017-10-24T22:11:27.321+01:002017-10-24T22:11:27.321+01:00And please allow me to clarify, that was in no way...And please allow me to clarify, that was in no way directed at YOU, Fr. Hunwicke, my word, I do not mean you at all. You have been a voice crying out in the wilderness, and a comfort. God bless you for your faithfulness.Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44041301182656247682017-10-24T22:09:31.242+01:002017-10-24T22:09:31.242+01:00Why on earth the SSPX would contemplate making any...Why on earth the SSPX would contemplate making any agreement with PF is utterly beyond understanding, and the fact that Bishop Fellay signed the recent letter against AL should have quashed this discussion once and for all. However, we are in full apostasy, let us face it, and the flock is scattering, as I type this, but there is naught a word from anyone at the SSPX, or any other quarter! Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33201705660779729832017-10-24T20:48:54.637+01:002017-10-24T20:48:54.637+01:00Not being a theologian, unable to finely sieve the...Not being a theologian, unable to finely sieve the post Vatican II documents to excise certain ambiguous, quasi-heretical and/or Modernist tendencies in these documents and the CCC, I reference the Catechism of Pope St Pius X, Trent, and theologians like Tanqueray and Garigou-Lagrange as sure beacons of truth amidst the chaotic wasteland of modern Catholicism when I have questions about the Faith.cultulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09063739892066159212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-42577063643075361092017-10-24T20:25:38.110+01:002017-10-24T20:25:38.110+01:00Oh, I wouldn't worry about this. After signing...Oh, I wouldn't worry about this. After signing the recent correction, a document which does not involved sycophants and modernist apostates, Bishop Fellay will not be waiting for a phone call from Jorge Bergoglio. Sam Shamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11396528450546085466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-35510048559612182352017-10-24T19:48:12.058+01:002017-10-24T19:48:12.058+01:00Dear Father,
Without at all intending to sound pe...Dear Father,<br /><br />Without at all intending to sound pedantic, your quotation is missing the word "authentice"! This is translated into English as "authoritative", into French as "officielle" and into Italian as "autentica". <br /><br />(As an aside, I wonder why the English translators didn't use the word "authentic" - does that Mario Josipovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038990937345581165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-7761638955702974182017-10-24T19:33:58.523+01:002017-10-24T19:33:58.523+01:00The CCC is correct in saying that "proofs&quo...The CCC is correct in saying that "proofs" as a philosophical, logical, or theological term (or even as a mathematical term) and "proofs" as a scientific term, are not the same thing. <br /><br />For one thing -- in science, nothing is ever definitively proved. If you go with someone really rigid about physical sciences, like Popper, the best you can get is "this is a Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-11933275457963755872017-10-24T18:22:48.969+01:002017-10-24T18:22:48.969+01:00Dear Father, I am unsure if what I wish to share v...Dear Father, I am unsure if what I wish to share violates your policy on criticism of the Pope, or indeed if I am permitted by copyright to quote a comment now six weeks old on a thread in <a rel="nofollow">https://ricochet.com/455486/an-unworthy-pope/#post-455486</a><br /><br />It is the second comment on the thread and reads:<br /> "In the last few decades, the Roman Catholic Church hasB flathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17611595580578224726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-28017365318582871082017-10-24T17:10:41.409+01:002017-10-24T17:10:41.409+01:00I came of age during the Vatican Council (which me...I came of age during the Vatican Council (which means I also remember in my formative years The Old Church) and was a great enthusiast for ecumenism. For decades. But as with so many things now, with the witness of a half century and more of the actual outcome of these Vatican II enthusiasms, as well as the concomitant or at least parallel cultural and demographic self-dismantling of the Western OreamnosAmericanushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602268350813211243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-55137882121487934832017-10-24T17:00:17.897+01:002017-10-24T17:00:17.897+01:00"Accordingly, the CCC is an integral part of ...<i>"Accordingly, the CCC is an integral part of the structural grammar of the Ordinariates"</i><br /><br />I got an unpleasant impression it is not Thomistic right at the beginning when it denies the title "scientific proofs" to the proofs for existence of God. The ensuiinng words (as I recall from back last millennium or a review early this one) seem to indicate they are justHans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-80529235255204435212017-10-24T15:10:27.239+01:002017-10-24T15:10:27.239+01:00Patriarch SVIATOSLAV, speaking in Toronto in Fall ...Patriarch SVIATOSLAV, speaking in Toronto in Fall 2016: “That is why I find it important to be able to stand before you today at this great university and state the following in the most unequivocal terms. The Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church, the largest of the Eastern Catholic Churches is not in any way opposed to the Orthodox Churches. We are an Orthodox Church, with Orthodox theology, liturgy,Woodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08910654300435533408noreply@blogger.com