tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post7037723072034869109..comments2024-03-28T23:52:48.762+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: TOWER OF IVORY, PRAY FOR USFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-69966595987221554032019-10-15T21:42:54.686+01:002019-10-15T21:42:54.686+01:00For what very little it may be worth, G. G. Meerss...For what very little it may be worth, G. G. Meersseman, O.P., on pp. 222-229 of vol. 2 of <i>Der Hymnos Akathistos im Abendland</i> (1960, above), lists five manuscript sources for his edition of the "Laurentanische Litanei" in <i>addition</i> to Paris, Nat. lat. 5267 (f. 80r), which he dates to the end of the 12th century, all of which contain the "Turris eburnea." Note thatSteve Perishohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05422656717551961275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-63460911513708531692019-10-05T23:33:52.450+01:002019-10-05T23:33:52.450+01:00See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_tower wh...See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_tower which claims a reference from 12th C (footnote 6).Alastairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07554669670886641511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-81630864835982127882019-10-05T19:00:56.567+01:002019-10-05T19:00:56.567+01:00Would any of the studies of the Litany as a whole—...Would any of the studies of the Litany as a whole—which most date, as you imply, not to 1558, but to the 12th-16th centuries more generally (<i>ODCC,</i> 3rd ed. rev. (2005): “its use is attested for the year 1558; but it is doubtful whether it was first sung at Loreto and did not rather arise under Dominican influence in the confraternities of the Rosary and thence make its way to the shrine. Steve Perishohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05422656717551961275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-68967931181373023822019-10-05T16:32:31.663+01:002019-10-05T16:32:31.663+01:00Fr I don't understand 'did not survive unt...Fr I don't understand 'did not survive until the middle of the second millennium.' Are you saying didn't survive past or did exist until or something else? Walrus and elephants are not hoping for a resurgence of the practice though.Dale Crakeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12596274028119702873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-17271088319320253462019-10-05T16:21:10.058+01:002019-10-05T16:21:10.058+01:00There is indeed evidence of the Tower of Ivory bei...There is indeed evidence of the Tower of Ivory being used of Our Lady in the centuries before the 16th. Its origin is believed to be a medieval rhymed litany influenced by Eastern Marian devotion, in particular by the Akathist Hymn first performed in Hagia Sophia in the 7th century when the Avars siege had ended.<br /><br />Fr McNabb in his introduction to the Akathist Hymn writes:"Such frjustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109539584303934489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-3339838505567937462019-10-05T12:56:30.546+01:002019-10-05T12:56:30.546+01:00Wikipedia teaches that the ivory tower was used as...Wikipedia teaches that the ivory tower was used as symbol of the Virgin starting with Bernhard de Clairvaux, citing Walter Dürig: Die Lauretanische Litanei. Sankt Ottilien 1990, S. 50f.Friedlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08510300279004243856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-81901788214713218452019-10-05T12:32:36.510+01:002019-10-05T12:32:36.510+01:00The Glossa talks about the neck being connected to...The Glossa talks about the neck being connected to the head, and to food and the voice <br />passing through it; and being connected to the power to bind and loose. Ivory and towers are about chastity; and a tower is armed and decorated like the example of a good life.<br /><br />St. Greg the Great is like Bede, but talking about preachers. High through contemplation, strong by stirring up good Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-68389565145837459242019-10-05T12:11:55.679+01:002019-10-05T12:11:55.679+01:00Rupert of Deutz has Mary's neck being like a t...Rupert of Deutz has Mary's neck being like a tower of ivory because her strength is her humility. She is strong and lovable for God, but terrible and inaccessible to the Devil. Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26144057042298283992019-10-05T11:50:14.173+01:002019-10-05T11:50:14.173+01:00Apponius says the neck of the beloved is the norma...Apponius says the neck of the beloved is the normal people of the Church, who through martyrdom are set right next to Christ the Head, and who send out a jeweled radiance of beauty over the whole Body. They are like a tower of ivory because of their height of virtue and fortitude. They are not considered beautiful until separated from the flesh, just like tusks are not pretty until separated fromBansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-48916176801750184542019-10-05T11:32:55.659+01:002019-10-05T11:32:55.659+01:00Bede compares the tower of ivory to how learned te...Bede compares the tower of ivory to how learned teachers beautify and strengthen the Church. Along with a bunch of other stuff in the chapter of his commentary on Songs. Heh, not what I expected after his commentary on the Valiant Woman, which is also Church-centric but not so much about learned guys.<br /><br />I see some references in Google Books to medieval Mary/ivory references, but nothing Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14528324008308416022019-10-05T11:18:21.685+01:002019-10-05T11:18:21.685+01:00Helinand of Froidmont has a nice sermon for Mary&#...Helinand of Froidmont has a nice sermon for Mary's birthday where he compares her to the neck of the Body of Christ, because food passes through the neck and intercessory prayer passes through her. Also, she is like a tower because of her strength and rectitude and the refuge she provides; and she is like a tusk of ivory because of her shining white virginity, her firm integrity of mind, her Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.com