tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post6917019328993265996..comments2024-03-29T09:39:50.604+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Hans Kueng, PriestFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-61134597456811971942021-04-21T19:57:54.532+01:002021-04-21T19:57:54.532+01:00Thank you for your response, "coradcorloquitu...Thank you for your response, "coradcorloquitur". But the paradox to which I was referring does not really relate to membership of the Catholic church per se, but rather to the motivation of those who attend Mass regularly. (Perhaps I could have made this clearer if I had written "… the paradox of why so many, many people CHOOSE TO go to Mass on (most) Sundays but neither believe inTerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17551041799064065025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-13467119038060098122021-04-18T01:52:11.280+01:002021-04-18T01:52:11.280+01:00The paradox is not difficult to unpack: even if yo...The paradox is not difficult to unpack: even if you attend Mass daily and devoutly and do not accept the truths taught by the Church on Christ's command and authority, you are quite simply not a Catholic. Just a statement of verifiable fact upheld by church doctors and saints for two millenia.coradcorloquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125381369456761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70261990691011974732021-04-16T20:59:50.236+01:002021-04-16T20:59:50.236+01:00Thank you for responding to my comment, Victor. Na...Thank you for responding to my comment, Victor. Naturally I am pleased that you say you agree with everything I said, and I certainly agree with what you suggest about a belief not being necessarily correct just because it is held by a majority. <br /><br />But your second sentence seems to imply that you suppose I am a supporter of Hans Küng. I assure you that I am not. Indeed neither Father Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17551041799064065025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-4254417999737029172021-04-13T17:37:25.417+01:002021-04-13T17:37:25.417+01:00As we live in an age of clever euphemisms and fals...As we live in an age of clever euphemisms and false equivalences, I should not be surprised at the false equivalence expressed in this blog between heretical (and insolent) opposition to traditional teachings by John Paul II and Benedict XVI and traditional opposition to what Francis I teaches, even if informally, in opposition to the defined dogmas and hollowed millenial traditions of the Churchcoradcorloquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125381369456761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-159213875041183282021-04-13T10:04:08.670+01:002021-04-13T10:04:08.670+01:00I would recommend reading father Kuengs three volu...I would recommend reading father Kuengs three volumes of his memoirs, from his school boy times in Switzerland through his studies in Rome, his first professorship at 32 and his insights into the una sancta catholica.<br />He was certainly a brilliant intellectual.<br />As father H. often reminds us, bishops conferences have no executive powers in themselves, only archbishops for their church prince Mateckihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10940572898035931187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12071360060779790072021-04-12T16:25:06.019+01:002021-04-12T16:25:06.019+01:00@Terry Loane: I agree with everything you said. Un...@Terry Loane: I agree with everything you said. Unlike you (I suppose), I do not think that it contradicts Fr Hunwicke's judgement. If the majority of Western christians are unconsciously heretic, it doesn't make heresy orthodox. Holy Mother Church is not a Westminster democracy!Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983955289507752980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-27305486606810631602021-04-12T11:01:13.630+01:002021-04-12T11:01:13.630+01:00The Guardian's obituary for Hans Küng included...The Guardian's obituary for Hans Küng included the following:<br /><br />"… his martyrdom on the altar of an intransigent church leadership elevated Küng into the voice of the many Catholics (in some surveys, the majority of them in the west) who remain within the fold but cannot in good conscience follow the official line opposing female priests, married priests, sex outside marriage Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17551041799064065025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-91402606571754389482021-04-11T08:18:21.718+01:002021-04-11T08:18:21.718+01:00This is probably apocryphal, but for what it is wo...This is probably apocryphal, but for what it is worth I once heard the dig at Küng which vetusta ecclesia quotes (Küng could not be Pope as he would lose his infallibility!) attributed to Pope Paul VI.PMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06144651697262763099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24264675302681990702021-04-10T21:32:25.635+01:002021-04-10T21:32:25.635+01:00"... Solemn Requiem at Westminster Cathedral ..."... Solemn Requiem at Westminster Cathedral presided over by the cardinal Archbishop"<br /><br />Cardinal Archbishop could pray for the soul of the prince privately. Whether HRH died as Anglican or Orthodox, a public Requiem for a non-Catholic would objectively constitute a scandal.Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-51951913112795914152021-04-10T13:14:31.954+01:002021-04-10T13:14:31.954+01:00A friend likes to tell the story of his mother bei...A friend likes to tell the story of his mother being approached after Mass by a parish worthy with the following asseveration: "I don't know about thee, Mrs. X, but I think it's about time they put t' bung in Küng." Now that Someone definitively has, may He also have mercy on his soul.Atticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03537205387276510875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-76955083596895082062021-04-10T07:00:47.269+01:002021-04-10T07:00:47.269+01:00It should escape no-one's attention that Kueng...It should escape no-one's attention that Kueng, who criticised Benedict XVI for wearing "sumptuous vestments", did not hesitate himself to don the silken academic robes of a doctor.<br /><br />Nevertheless, requiescat in pace.<br /><br />AvBAlbrecht von Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12996637489269911349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24262565607092219922021-04-10T00:16:23.962+01:002021-04-10T00:16:23.962+01:00It's been over forty years since I read "...It's been over forty years since I read "On Being a Christian," and I can't claim to have closely followed Fr. Kung's career. But my impression was that the lynchpin of his troubles was his dissent from the decree on papal authority in the First Vatican Council.<br /><br />For all that he seems to have been more respectful of the authority of John Paul II and Benedict XVI rick allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612435616018593956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-66974868644217519982021-04-09T21:32:39.340+01:002021-04-09T21:32:39.340+01:00That American Jewish institution was 19th-century ...That American Jewish institution was 19th-century Reform, which served non-kosher shrimp at a banquet. Those who got up and left formed the Conservative branch of American Judaism.<br /><br />But there's also antagonism within Orthodox Judaism, and there it's the more traditional Jews who do not get along with the more liberal ones. The antagonism is especially pronounced in Israel, wherefrjustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109539584303934489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-83555033279997873132021-04-09T19:48:06.588+01:002021-04-09T19:48:06.588+01:00
Did not some wag once point out that Küng could ...<br /><br />Did not some wag once point out that Küng could not be Pope as he would lose his infallibility!vetusta ecclesiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09454059029260192711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-6965477971222161232021-04-09T15:10:19.061+01:002021-04-09T15:10:19.061+01:00Fm Martin Hartley
In view of the death of HRH pr...Fm Martin Hartley <br /><br />In view of the death of HRH prince Philip, I hope there will be a Solemn Requem at Westminster Cathedral presided over by the cardinal Archbishop. Although he was not a catholic, he was born Orthodox and deserves prayers and liturgies for his soul. MMEMORY ETERNAL. May he rest in peace <br /><br />Fm Martin Hartley <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14662659199566991019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-52766872077939693912021-04-09T12:04:30.451+01:002021-04-09T12:04:30.451+01:00A most charitable and humble post, Father.
A quick...A most charitable and humble post, Father.<br />A quick glance at Wikipedia informs me that, in the book 'The Nonborn King' by Julian May - the third book in the 'Saga of Pliocene Exile' - a minor character, Sullivan-Tonn, is referred to as having once been "Küng Professor of Moral Theology at Fordham University".<br />I read too that Küng had an asteroid named after himCompton Pauncefoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07074781415142746220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12120101513587382652021-04-09T11:44:25.396+01:002021-04-09T11:44:25.396+01:00I have had some enlightening conversations with Or...I have had some enlightening conversations with Orthodox Jewish friends about how their "liberal" co-religionists hate them so much. The phenomenon is the same as in the Church. Ceile Dehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00231797721908473008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-27792556639103846232021-04-09T11:35:26.011+01:002021-04-09T11:35:26.011+01:00That is very charitable of you, FatherThat is very charitable of you, FatherPaul in Melbourne, Australiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08567865548737050757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-7914828887029973262021-04-09T11:00:19.494+01:002021-04-09T11:00:19.494+01:00Dear Fr,
thank you for your words, especially for...Dear Fr,<br /><br />thank you for your words, especially for indicating that Fr Küng was never formally excommunicated. Given that, according to Cardinal Kasper (his erstwhile pupil and assistant) he died "reconciled with Rome", we may and dare hope that he, as well, found "so great, so glorious a Redeemer".Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983955289507752980noreply@blogger.com