tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post6912051165283069867..comments2024-03-29T09:39:50.604+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Assumptive discontinuitiesFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19836172807619341792016-08-19T16:31:44.015+01:002016-08-19T16:31:44.015+01:00I am not a fan of Pius XII and his discontinuities...I am not a fan of Pius XII and his discontinuities ... saying that<br /><br />* either she never died and got buried before Assumption (with Resurrection)<br />* OR all other saints have at least some "corruption of the grave" (rotting)<br /><br />is a very bad alternative.<br /><br />She was of course assumed so she could become Mediatrix of all graces, and she did of course die first,Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49946423664241874582016-08-15T16:19:51.802+01:002016-08-15T16:19:51.802+01:00Of course, as I reviewed the Epistle to sing at to...Of course, as I reviewed the Epistle to sing at tonight's Mass, I wonder why the lesson only includes the parts of Judith 13 which follow the death of Holofernes. Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-2862507788800778252016-08-14T10:15:30.397+01:002016-08-14T10:15:30.397+01:00Dear Gregory: but doesn't the Martyrology stat...Dear Gregory: but doesn't the Martyrology state this in the last two clauses of the extract above? T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49304994364428266262016-08-13T22:27:17.301+01:002016-08-13T22:27:17.301+01:00Optime Timothee,
At the same time, the Sarum Rite...Optime Timothee,<br /><br />At the same time, the Sarum Rite (along with the Dominicans and many others) used the following Collect for the Assumption, which explicitly asserts that the Virgin's death was temporary.<br /><br />"Veneranda nobis, Domine, hujus diei festivitas opem conferat salutarem, in qua sancta Dei Genitrix mortem subiit temporalem, nec tamen mortis nexibus deprimi Gregory DiPippohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13295638279418781125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-57913733073719000292016-08-13T16:40:55.917+01:002016-08-13T16:40:55.917+01:00Timothy, thank you. I love the muted tone, soft, r...Timothy, thank you. I love the muted tone, soft, respectful, cautious, as one should be when approach6jng so great a mystery. Some feasts are well suited to proclamations and publicity; this is one which is better guarded and protected, to be approached with reserve and respect.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12833345391579579562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9946401951753435002016-08-13T15:39:26.875+01:002016-08-13T15:39:26.875+01:00Independent on the difficile question whether Fath...Independent on the difficile question whether Father should or should not like a particular liturgy prescribed by the church - what about saying the Office, which Father most prefers, ad libitum and in addition to the Ordinariate Version, to which he certainly is bound? In this case, however, not only the Office of August 15, but also the Office of August 14 should be chosen from one of the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82648365331646877422016-08-13T12:00:53.695+01:002016-08-13T12:00:53.695+01:00A monosyllabic answer to the question: No. To wha...A monosyllabic answer to the question: No. To what extent people feel they <i>ought</i> to like it is a more interesting question.<br /><br />Timothy - beautiful, that says it all quite sufficiently.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-10456177537703587922016-08-13T01:01:44.104+01:002016-08-13T01:01:44.104+01:00We must become worthy of the gift, by prayer and p...We must become worthy of the gift, by prayer and penance.Woodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08910654300435533408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-66866634929154123282016-08-12T23:34:04.438+01:002016-08-12T23:34:04.438+01:00(1) Is one allowed to voice, not a rejection of th...(1) Is one allowed to voice, not a rejection of the belief, but rather reservation about a dogmatic proclamation having been made at all? (2) One wouldn't be so bothered about changes to millennial Tradition in the office if the older offices weren't forbidden under threats and the pains of hell etc.<br /><br />How about this for restraint, Whytford's Sarum Martyrology 1526: The xv. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62323181752229331232016-08-12T21:28:08.093+01:002016-08-12T21:28:08.093+01:00I like the new Assumption liturgy. It is well–done...I like the new Assumption liturgy. It is well–done, by and large. The “Signum Magnum” is lovely, and it stands out along with “Cogitationes” as the best new chants. The typology is excellent. I will disagree slightly that the new liturgy downplays Our Lady as Mediatrix of All Graces: Judith is a type of Mary as Mediatrix. That being said, I’m not sure Pius XII should have touched it. I want to Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16223151588572254552016-08-12T18:30:31.327+01:002016-08-12T18:30:31.327+01:00 Her Immaculate Heart will prevail. But how? Her Immaculate Heart will prevail. But how?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-20055439161617774332016-08-12T15:22:35.030+01:002016-08-12T15:22:35.030+01:00St. Thomas Aquinas totally ditched most of St. Jul...St. Thomas Aquinas totally ditched most of St. Juliana's original version of the Corpus Christi office. New is not always worse, right?Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-4072852356326405902016-08-12T14:03:19.871+01:002016-08-12T14:03:19.871+01:00"I do ... a shamefaced confession now ... rat..."I do ... a shamefaced confession now ... rather like the Pius XII office."<br /><br />Journalists might call that a "reverse ferret."Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-86131204181675717222016-08-12T12:43:12.874+01:002016-08-12T12:43:12.874+01:00There is something refreshingly about the "19...There is something refreshingly about the "1962" (actually 1 January, 1963) Monastic Breviary, which provides the Assumption Office "secundum antiquiorem formulam." The Dominican breviary tried to craft a hybrid of the old and the new, with results that individuals must judge for themselves. 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