tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post6816754277228076795..comments2024-03-29T09:39:50.604+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Credo ...Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-68323053271753751882022-07-29T16:42:49.770+01:002022-07-29T16:42:49.770+01:00Didn't Sacrosanctum Consilium say something ab...Didn't Sacrosanctum Consilium say something about how the people should be able to sing those parts of the Mass that are appropriate to them, and of course that the use of Latin and chant should have pride of place?<br /><br />I'm sure that since Pope Francis and the Vatican want uniformity of worship and further that we need to accept everything that Vatican II teaches, there will John Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352405449391514146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-72203156839269481632022-07-27T17:09:39.310+01:002022-07-27T17:09:39.310+01:00If the choir is sitting up behind the altar, in th...If the choir is sitting up behind the altar, in the place of a religious community of monks or nuns or canons, or priests sitting in choro, they represent a clerical office. If there is a loft in back or a side area, I do not think it is so clear-cut.<br /><br />The choir represents not so much the congregation, as the unseen congregation joining with the seen one. The choir is the heard voice ofBansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16790353572256419482022-07-26T21:38:49.751+01:002022-07-26T21:38:49.751+01:00I must agree with Moritz about this. The choirsing...I must agree with Moritz about this. The choirsingers actually represent the lay faithful moreso than the clergy, and custom has long allowed for female singers. In womens convents the nuns sing the Office and the Mass, so objectively, chanting is not a task that can be or ever has been absolutely forbidden to women. Women of course should never sing in the sanctuary, but neither may be they, or Albertushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18236817196746609901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40807825675486178182022-07-26T08:45:18.854+01:002022-07-26T08:45:18.854+01:00Dear Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosque,
that was not ...Dear Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosque,<br /><br />that was not strictly speaking a "teaching", but a matter of discipline. As such, it is no longer binding, if only because there is a custom of at least thirty years against it. And resting as it does on false assumptions, which we all know can happen even in a Pope who is a saint when he is not speaking infallibly, it is a good thing that Moritz Gruberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06313974490621703071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-22460226061143668332022-07-25T16:40:55.060+01:002022-07-25T16:40:55.060+01:00In my experience there are few things more moving ...In my experience there are few things more moving than the full-throated singing by a Catholic congregation (such as you find in many parts of Europe but also in Latin American and Asia---but not so much in the USA) of not just the Credo (which is, after all, the personal Profession of Faith of each Catholic attending a mass) but the parts of the Mass that belong to them---as well as the coradcorloquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125381369456761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-28832858643491612072022-07-24T19:10:27.729+01:002022-07-24T19:10:27.729+01:00Dear Father. I wonder how many folks who have been...Dear Father. I wonder how many folks who have been to the Holy Holocaust/Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in a Chapel or Church of the SSPX and heard the choir, comprised of men and women, sining Latin Chant understand the choir/schola is in opposition to the teaching of Poe Saint Pius X n <i>Tra le Sollecitundi</i> <br /><br /><i>3. On the same principle it follows that singers in church have Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-37783484936338231952022-07-24T18:04:13.647+01:002022-07-24T18:04:13.647+01:00Fortescue has this:
The rite is the same as now; ...Fortescue has this:<br /><br />The rite is the same as now; the Pontiff intones : "Credo in unum Deum" and the schola continues. In the middle ages it was commonly sung, not by the choir, but by all the people; wherefore there was only one chant for it' known to everyone.<br />This chant (in the fourth tone) is noted in the Vatican Gradual as the authentic one. The excellent custom Jhayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07064136312272621107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29396334083527914042022-07-24T12:08:44.258+01:002022-07-24T12:08:44.258+01:00Credo III was probably better known than Credo I. ...Credo III was probably better known than Credo I. But, even before the Council, the Germans could have used a metrical four-line version to the tune of a Chorale. Things weren't quite as universal as we often suppose!Expeditushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13425085467560855359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-61268511310754090292022-07-24T10:36:15.860+01:002022-07-24T10:36:15.860+01:00Ben Gard, a fine Englishman and an exemplary Catho...Ben Gard, a fine Englishman and an exemplary Catholic, God rest his soul, whom I was privileged to know at the end of his long life, fought with the Indian Army in Burma during the Second World War, and after VJ Day was sent to Vietnam as part of the Allied forces deployed to supervise the Japanese surrender there. He told me of attending Mass for Christmas, 1945, at Hanoi Cathedral, alongside Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.com