tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post6773619273007907546..comments2024-03-29T14:32:13.886+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Terminological inexactitudes? UPDATEDFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70722071498498875692017-12-12T19:42:36.500+00:002017-12-12T19:42:36.500+00:00Clearly the site of the First and Second Temple wa...Clearly the site of the First and Second Temple was a capital of the people of Israel, speaking in a wholly cultural or religious sense for Jews. It was the capital of the British ruled Mandate of Palestine, and obviously the Frankish Kingdom of Jerusalem, their Outremer wherever they managed to hold on to it. Even when it was a Herodian, Maccabean and Judean capital, it only was a royal capital Prayerfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01561992635589480308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9250895157488219222017-12-08T02:49:50.470+00:002017-12-08T02:49:50.470+00:00Motuproprio answered a question that had not been ...Motuproprio answered a question that had not been asked, didn't he? That was a lot of work, and he seems to like saying intelligent things: I hope he enjoyed his secretarial labors. <br /><br />Perhaps next he can pretend that there is an argument for why someone would make the comment his secretarial labors strove to mock.<br />Then he can assess, impartially, what it would require for Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05327359512133977327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-6126479669583537992017-12-07T18:50:44.394+00:002017-12-07T18:50:44.394+00:00Albrecht von Brandenburg said... "I thought ...Albrecht von Brandenburg said... "I thought that the capital of Syria Palestina was Aelia Capitolina ..."<br /><br />No, it was Caesarea, which continued to be the capital of Palaestina Prima in Late Antiquity. The Late Antique capital of Palaestina Secunda was Scythopolis (Bashan, where the bulls encompass you on every side) and of Palaestina Tertia was Petra. The capital of the Oliver Nicholsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187098939500953848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29449316601688494292017-12-07T14:39:44.591+00:002017-12-07T14:39:44.591+00:00Motuproprio is of course quite correct in his reco...Motuproprio is of course quite correct in his recounting of the history of Jerusalem. One should, however, add to that political history the fact that Jews have been praying 'L'Shana Haba'ah B'Yerushalayim' presumably since the destruction of the Second Temple and the diaspora; there's a 10th century reference to the prayer, for instance. It's part of the Seder, and Sue Simshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15868265477624790008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67244088732224598312017-12-07T11:06:51.968+00:002017-12-07T11:06:51.968+00:00Apologies for the vagaries of Blogger!Apologies for the vagaries of Blogger!motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62936101978232667802017-12-06T23:49:04.481+00:002017-12-06T23:49:04.481+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-69515623390740189202017-12-06T23:47:41.244+00:002017-12-06T23:47:41.244+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49130950981768622142017-12-06T23:29:51.753+00:002017-12-06T23:29:51.753+00:00• 1948 AD: 1948 Arab–Israeli War.
• 1949 AD: Jerus...• 1948 AD: 1948 Arab–Israeli War.<br />• 1949 AD: Jerusalem is proclaimed the capital of Israel. The Knesset moves to Jerusalem from Tel-Aviv. Jordan prevents access to the Western Wall and Mount Scopus, in violation of the 1949 Armistice Agreements.<br />• 1967 AD 5–11 June: The Six Day War.<br />• 1980 AD: The Jerusalem Law is enacted leading to UN Security Council Resolution 478 (it states motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88818010915449945202017-12-06T23:28:23.738+00:002017-12-06T23:28:23.738+00:00• 1799 AD: Napoleon's unsuccessful campaign in...• 1799 AD: Napoleon's unsuccessful campaign in Egypt and Syria intends to capture Jerusalem, but is defeated at the Siege of Acre.<br />• 1831AD: Wali Muhammad Ali of Egypt conquers the city following Sultan Mahmud II's refusal to grant him control over Syria as compensation for his help fighting the Greek War of Independence<br />• 1840 AD: The Ottoman Turks retake the city—with help motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9649428062790578762017-12-06T23:27:42.858+00:002017-12-06T23:27:42.858+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70602605923029495352017-12-06T23:27:05.947+00:002017-12-06T23:27:05.947+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-86913238130417795242017-12-06T23:26:25.154+00:002017-12-06T23:26:25.154+00:00• 259AD: Jerusalem falls under the rule of Odaenat...• 259AD: Jerusalem falls under the rule of Odaenathus as King of the Palmyrene Empire <br />• 272AD: Jerusalem becomes part of the Roman Empire again after Aurelian defeats the Palmyrene Empire. <br />• 324–25AD: Emperor Constantine confirms status of Aelia Capitolina as a patriarchate. This is the date on which the city is generally taken to have been renamed Jerusalem.<br />• 361 AD: Julian motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16954070625676852762017-12-06T23:25:35.634+00:002017-12-06T23:25:35.634+00:00• 6 BC: End of Herodian governorate in Jerusalem. ...• 6 BC: End of Herodian governorate in Jerusalem. Herodian Dynasty replaced in the newly created Iudaea province by Roman prefects and after 44 by procurators. Senator Quirinius appointed Legate of the Roman province of Syria and Jerusalem loses its place as the administrative capital to Caesarea Palaestina. <br />• 7BC–26 AD: Brief period of peace, relatively free of revolt and bloodshed in motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-15500378958285760702017-12-06T23:24:40.751+00:002017-12-06T23:24:40.751+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-6872747740102771062017-12-06T23:02:17.823+00:002017-12-06T23:02:17.823+00:00I think we lost a comment by motuproprio, because ...I think we lost a comment by motuproprio, because I don't see anything between AD 637 and AD 1840.<br /><br />Jerusalem was the capital of the Crusader kingdom that was around for a while.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-20636661446374751002017-12-06T21:37:49.979+00:002017-12-06T21:37:49.979+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16911952983161759512017-12-06T21:37:04.046+00:002017-12-06T21:37:04.046+00:00• 1229–44AD: From 1229 to 1244, Jerusalem peaceful...• 1229–44AD: From 1229 to 1244, Jerusalem peacefully reverted to Christian control as a result of a 1229 Treaty agreed between the crusading Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II and al-Kamil, the Ayyubid Sultan of Egypt, that ended the Sixth Crusade. The Ayyubids retained control of the Muslim holy places, and Arab sources suggest that Frederick was not permitted to restore Jerusalem's motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29430284663186693662017-12-06T21:36:01.693+00:002017-12-06T21:36:01.693+00:00• 750 AD: the Abbasids take control of the entire...<br />• 750 AD: the Abbasids take control of the entire empire including Jerusalem. <br />• 878 AD: Ahmad ibn Tulun, ruler of Egypt and founder of the Tulunid dynasty, conquers Jerusalem and most of Syria.<br />• 904AD: The Abbasids regain control of Jerusalem after invading Syria.<br />• 969 AD: Fatimids conquer the Ikhshidid domains of the Abbasid empire including Jerusalem.<br />• 1073 AD: motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-22412467901030209352017-12-06T21:35:30.680+00:002017-12-06T21:35:30.680+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-52019144446260998892017-12-06T21:34:59.264+00:002017-12-06T21:34:59.264+00:00• 134 BC: Seleucid King Antiochus VII Sidetes reca...<br />• 134 BC: Seleucid King Antiochus VII Sidetes recaptures the city. John Hyrcanus as governor, becomes a vassal to the Seleucids.<br />• 116 BC: A civil war between Seleucid half-brothers Antiochus VIII Grypus and Antiochus IX Cyzicenus results in a breakup of the kingdom and the independence of certain principalities, including Judea. <br />• 73–63 BC: The Roman Republic extends its motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-5481777578804766682017-12-06T21:34:18.032+00:002017-12-06T21:34:18.032+00:00• 311 BC: The Antigonid dynasty regains control of...• 311 BC: The Antigonid dynasty regains control of the city after Ptolemy withdraws from Syria..<br />• 302 BC: Ptolemy invades Syria for a third time, but evacuated again shortly thereafter.<br />• 301 BC: Coele-Syria (Southern Syria) including Jerusalem is re-captured by Ptolemy I Soter.<br />• 200 BC: Jerusalem falls under the control of the Seleucid Empire following the Battle of Panium.<br /motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-42990193260485405932017-12-06T21:33:45.726+00:002017-12-06T21:33:45.726+00:00• 587–586 BC: second Babylonian siege – Nebuchadne...<br />• 587–586 BC: second Babylonian siege – Nebuchadnezzar II fought Pharaoh Apries's attempt to invade Judah. Jerusalem mostly destroyed including the First Temple. <br />• 539 BC: Jerusalem becomes part of the Eber-Nari satrapy of the Achaemenid Empire after King Cyrus the Great conquers the Neo-Babylonian Empire by defeating Nabonidus at the Battle of Opis.<br />• Cyrus the Great issues motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19627766518844570122017-12-06T21:33:08.113+00:002017-12-06T21:33:08.113+00:00The history of Jerusalem is too complicated for a ...The history of Jerusalem is too complicated for a one-liner!<br />• 1010 BC: King David attacks and captures Jerusalem. Jerusalem becomes City of David and capital of the United Kingdom of Israel.<br />• c. 931–930 BC: Jerusalem becomes the capital of the (southern) Kingdom of Judah <br />• c. 850 BCE: Jerusalem is sacked by Philistines, Arabs and Ethiopians, who looted King Jehoram's house, motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-43112028913682186452017-12-06T20:28:43.357+00:002017-12-06T20:28:43.357+00:00I thought that the capital of Syria Palestina was ...I thought that the capital of Syria Palestina was Aelia Capitolina ...Albrecht von Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12996637489269911349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40791128303007258342017-12-06T20:24:32.169+00:002017-12-06T20:24:32.169+00:00Melchizedek was in Salem before Abraham saw the Ri...Melchizedek was in Salem before Abraham saw the River Jordan or begot Isaac.<br /><br />I say this not to suggest that the Priest-King's descendents might claim any priority over God's Own Chosen People, but to highlight how "we were there first" is not only an unhelpful argument, but an <i>un-Jewish</i> argument.Belfry Bathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00514867101036143597noreply@blogger.com