tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post6753981103775050561..comments2024-03-28T14:19:53.973+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Chinese Whispers??Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19211774800705939782019-12-29T12:41:12.183+00:002019-12-29T12:41:12.183+00:00A PS to my last about priests wanting to get throu...A PS to my last about priests wanting to get through Mass as fast as possible. A friend who attended in the late 1950s a boarding school run by an order of priests claims that there were some who could clip through a Missa privata in thirteen minutes. That tallies with my own childhood memories of priests (mainly Irish, I have to say) who slurred the words together at such a speed that we couldn&PMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06144651697262763099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75819913631883128572019-12-29T12:33:14.105+00:002019-12-29T12:33:14.105+00:00Better still, the priest in question could stop us...Better still, the priest in question could stop using EPII. Often deployed for 'pastoral' because it is short (i.e. let's get out of here asap, or we need to make time for the dancing girls), the amount of time it saves when compared to the Roman Canon is, I understand, less than three minutes. As a layman in the pews I find it jarring: the consecration is upon us before we have PMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06144651697262763099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-86317789093618652552019-12-28T17:31:00.881+00:002019-12-28T17:31:00.881+00:00Dear Father, One of our clergy utterly detests the...Dear Father, One of our clergy utterly detests the "dewfall", asserting that there is no such word; he, too, thinks that an epiclesis is alien to the Roman Rite. Of course, he says the word, as he is bound to do, but has a delightful way of hissing it, as though his own voice is accompanied by that of the Tempter. Incidentally, I was always taught that the Consecration is effected by Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04264379572686048595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-79185300680118561092019-12-27T06:47:20.356+00:002019-12-27T06:47:20.356+00:00If I understood correctly, it was Fr. Louis Bouyer...If I understood correctly, it was Fr. Louis Bouyer himself who entered the "ros" into EP2 as "his only means of beautifying" the Anaphora of Hippolytus which he otherwise criticized as somewhat historically inauthentic. That may even have been his only real contribution through his entire participation with Consilium. I think he says so in his Memoirs. Since then, I always Paul G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00954671427558306948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-72721477987071130432019-12-27T05:15:14.196+00:002019-12-27T05:15:14.196+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Paul G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00954671427558306948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-30959012566616463602019-12-24T18:09:43.002+00:002019-12-24T18:09:43.002+00:00As they say in the States:
"If it ain't ...As they say in the States:<br /><br />"If it ain't broke don't fix it."Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-8216157002601296922019-12-23T21:30:49.858+00:002019-12-23T21:30:49.858+00:00Father - I wonder: is there such a difference betw...Father - I wonder: is there such a difference between consecration by "acceptance" of the Father and by the "Sending down" of the Spirit? St Paul teaches that it is the Spirit which guides us in making our prayers and petitions acceptable to God. Furthermore the appearances of the Spirit at Our Lord's Baptism, and more importantly its dramatic arrival at Pentecost, signifyColin Spinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06187466247865796371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-35319375108622974412019-12-23T17:32:38.796+00:002019-12-23T17:32:38.796+00:00Archbishop Vigano seems to be particularly incense...Archbishop Vigano seems to be particularly incensed by inserting "Dew" in the Eucharistic Canon (see below), concluding "The advent of the Antichrist is inevitable..."<br /><br />https://nonvenipacem.com/2019/12/22/Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40362402492131794022019-12-23T13:14:41.102+00:002019-12-23T13:14:41.102+00:00Dear Father
You are indeed right about the wordin...Dear Father<br /><br />You are indeed right about the wording of the Roman canon, which attributes the consecration to the Father's acceptance of the sacrifice - just as the Mass is the sacrament of the Cross in which the Incarnate Son offers himself to the Father. (And the Father's acceptance of the sacrifice of Calvary is ,to quote a marvellous sermon by Herbert McCabe which I reread PMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06144651697262763099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-25654828014837229642019-12-23T13:01:22.010+00:002019-12-23T13:01:22.010+00:00Of course Anglicans north of the border were using...Of course Anglicans north of the border were using an epiclesis well before 1968. Although my Pisky prayer book only dates from 1929 I believe the usage had been established a good two centuries earlier, and as in Orthodoxy it followed both the institution narrative and the offering to God of the Holy Gifts.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06908070025869221948noreply@blogger.com