tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post6348763736149693546..comments2024-03-29T09:39:50.604+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: NEEDLEWORKFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-76806364657500521992009-11-13T14:18:53.421+00:002009-11-13T14:18:53.421+00:00Ottaviani, I did not say that Holy Order does not ...Ottaviani, I did not say that Holy Order does not matter - of course it matters that our Orders should be those of the Catholic Church, and that we should not only be convinced ourselves that they are, but must do whatever it takes to supply what might be lacking - merely that the correspondents in another place go on and on about our not having any priests or sacraments. For polemical purposes,Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40219270688115094132009-11-13T07:10:04.626+00:002009-11-13T07:10:04.626+00:00If anything, Benedict's concession of Pontific...If anything, Benedict's concession of Pontificals is another step in his attempts to correct Vatican II in whose aftermath bishops became aggrendised and priests were stripped of pontificals.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16370579198714820532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-64731699630444310562009-11-12T23:55:32.924+00:002009-11-12T23:55:32.924+00:00Shaughn,
I think you probably are reading too muc...Shaughn,<br /><br />I think you probably are reading too much into the text. There has been a long (if in recent decades neglected or in some cases suppressed) tradition of mitred abbots, archpriests, archmandrites, protoprebyters and protonotary apostolics who were/are entitled to wear pontificals.<br /><br />Allowing married former Anglican bishops this honour is an act of charity and respect Conchúrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06616869558976756046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-84489557092336149692009-11-12T23:01:13.913+00:002009-11-12T23:01:13.913+00:00I may be reading too much into things, but it almo...I may be reading too much into things, but it almost seems as though the Vatican is giving a bit of a wink to Anglicans by allowing the retention of Episcopal Regalia.<br /><br />That is, is it suggesting merely that Anglican orders are invalid, in the sense that they do not equal Roman Catholic orders? Does such an interpretation going too far? I wonder, though, if you pushed Benedict hard RSC+https://www.blogger.com/profile/00639369749327986414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-77234481768479524482009-11-12T22:30:16.101+00:002009-11-12T22:30:16.101+00:00I expect you know, but I will tell you anyway, t...I expect you know, but I will tell you anyway, that a certain Vicar of Beaulieu in Hampshire, in the last century, wore the mitre and carried a crozier, claiming to be the spiritual descendant of the last Abbot of Beaulieu. I think it perturbed the Bishop of Winchester to have such a man in his diocese.... it is possible that the present holder of that office is also sometimes discountenanced Edwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213363119774322096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-73181845571920684102009-11-12T19:46:00.517+00:002009-11-12T19:46:00.517+00:00Little Black Sambo - the question of orders may no...Little Black Sambo - the question of orders may not matter for you and some other Anglo-Catholics but it certainly is an important consideration. Playing with the sacraments is like playing with fire. To say that the issue of Anglican orders is the central data of faith of some Catholics, is to conveniently avoid the matter at hand. One can only wonder why...Aduliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00534730218402742905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21549597169478930552009-11-12T18:55:33.089+00:002009-11-12T18:55:33.089+00:00The Ordinary Minister of the Sacrament of Confirma...The Ordinary Minister of the Sacrament of Confirmation in the Latin Rite is a Bishop and as this is certainly also part of the Anglican Tradition surely it is something which will be treasured?Nebulyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11251303196283705580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-58237899608943841862009-11-12T18:53:27.286+00:002009-11-12T18:53:27.286+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nebulyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11251303196283705580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12166316517552036862009-11-12T18:13:37.190+00:002009-11-12T18:13:37.190+00:00The old Catholic Encylopedia agrees that priests c...The old Catholic Encylopedia agrees that priests can be delegated by the Holy See to consecrate Chrism. I have a feeling that current non-episcopal Ordinaries can consecrate Chrism but I am away from my sources just now to check.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16370579198714820532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75506583443775983612009-11-12T18:02:33.580+00:002009-11-12T18:02:33.580+00:00"... for a certain sort of RC, the Invalidity..."... for a certain sort of RC, the Invalidity of Anglican Orders seems to be one of the central <i>data</i> of their Faith."<br />Exactly right. See the comments at Damian Thompson's blog <i>passim</i>. They are for ever telling Anglicans the answer to the question they are not asking.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-51939717592166123122009-11-12T16:42:24.718+00:002009-11-12T16:42:24.718+00:00Dalmatic under the chasuble?
Come on Father, you...Dalmatic under the chasuble? <br /><br />Come on Father, you can do better than that! What about the tunicle? The gloves? And, very emphatically, the buskins and sandals. <br /><br />The buskins seem to have been ditched by Archbishop Cranmer in 1549 and by Archbishop Bugninni in 1968 but they were the gift of the Emperor Constantine to Pope St. Sylvester I. Will the Personal Ordinaries then Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352598115559204014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59939995518113732282009-11-12T12:58:54.342+00:002009-11-12T12:58:54.342+00:00Will they not simply follow the ( excellent ) exam...Will they not simply follow the ( excellent ) example of Mgr Leonard?Nebulyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11251303196283705580noreply@blogger.com