tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post4625198023087637583..comments2024-03-29T09:39:50.604+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: What you want is the English MissalFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-23691120163890682402009-10-08T12:18:37.660+01:002009-10-08T12:18:37.660+01:00I decline Father Anthony's invitation to engag...<i>I decline Father Anthony's invitation to engage in the sin of detraction in a semi-public forum. This discussion with Father Anthony is hereby closed.</i><br /><br />"Patrick" declines my so-called "<i>invitation to engage in the sin of detraction</i>", presumably because he has already committed calumny.<br /><br />With that, I close my side of the dialogue. I think FrFr Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15521671841072661886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24984822951622388322009-10-07T21:04:06.071+01:002009-10-07T21:04:06.071+01:00"Please also give a complete account of all t..."Please also give a complete account of all the “rot” and any abuses you have presumably investigated and listed."<br /><br />I decline Father Anthony's invitation to engage in the sin of detraction in a semi-public forum. This discussion with Father Anthony is hereby closed.Disgusted in DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099497236740569956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-57098939434536467432009-10-07T18:42:32.094+01:002009-10-07T18:42:32.094+01:00Answering "Patrick" 's posting:
Wha...Answering "Patrick" 's posting:<br /><br /><i>What competition is there and who are the competitors?</i> I assumed you were TAC and putting other people down because you belong to the Establishment Church. I may be wrong. It really is none of my business.<br /><br /><i>I see nothing at all sacrosanct about continuing church jursidictions (or for that matter ones in the official Fr Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15521671841072661886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88461746479845025492009-10-07T16:38:25.447+01:002009-10-07T16:38:25.447+01:00Fr. Anthony, I don't understand your comment a...Fr. Anthony, I don't understand your comment about someone else winning a "race" to Rome. What competition is there and who are the competitors? I don't see it. OTOH, I see nothing at all sacrosanct about continuing church jursidictions (or for that matter ones in the official Anglican Communion). Thus, a canonical structure which is a receptacle for Anglicans coming into Disgusted in DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099497236740569956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71126989272465203772009-10-07T05:55:52.797+01:002009-10-07T05:55:52.797+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stick in the Mudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767023460170631671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-48894289940319016622009-10-05T18:17:34.982+01:002009-10-05T18:17:34.982+01:00If so, then this is very good news indeed, as (asi...<i>If so, then this is very good news indeed, as (aside from the Canadians) I don't have much faith in the TAC episcopate (or any other continuing Anglican group for that matter) to play well with others or otherwise exercise responsible episcopal ministry. We'll see if they are interested in going to Rome if they will no longer be in charge.</i><br /><br />This doesn't sound very Fr Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15521671841072661886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29981934202140839172009-10-05T14:49:25.309+01:002009-10-05T14:49:25.309+01:00"As to the TAC, what little by way of informa..."As to the TAC, what little by way of information or rumor has come my way in recent weeks would appear to suggest that, if ever a specific "structure" tailored to the needs of the TAC was on the cards in the Vatican, it no longer is -- but that the TAC would be able to avail itself of whatever provision the forthcoming "canonical structure" may offer them." <br /><Disgusted in DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099497236740569956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-11061544052467349582009-10-05T12:51:43.638+01:002009-10-05T12:51:43.638+01:00Many thanks, Mr Tighe. If it will be as you recou...Many thanks, Mr Tighe. If it will be as you recount, such a structure would avoid both Scylla and Charybdis. Ut unum sint! Jesus, mercy; Mary, pray.Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-31467619770189210682009-10-04T15:54:25.823+01:002009-10-04T15:54:25.823+01:00TAC, what little by way of information or rumor ha...<i>TAC, what little by way of information or rumor has come my way in recent weeks would appear to suggest that, if ever a specific "structure" tailored to the needs of the TAC was on the cards in the Vatican, it no longer is -- but that the TAC would be able to avail itself of whatever provision the forthcoming "canonical structure" may offer them.".</i><br /><br />WouldFr Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15521671841072661886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-56713887996625094202009-10-04T13:41:37.727+01:002009-10-04T13:41:37.727+01:00Joshua,
A speaker at the conference declared that...Joshua,<br /><br />A speaker at the conference declared that before the end of the year "Rome" would erect a "canonical structure" for Anglican use Catholics -- "not a Personal Prelature, but something between that an an Apostolic Administration." We'll see, but that implies that they would have their own "prelate" and no longer be under the control ofWilliam Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-74037996044483280392009-10-04T07:07:48.816+01:002009-10-04T07:07:48.816+01:00Obviously - as with the SSPX, as His Holiness know...Obviously - as with the SSPX, as His Holiness knows better than all - the scandalon is the question of bishops: are Anglican Use Catholics, and the Society, to have prelates, or not; and if not, how will they be protected from vile Latin Ordinaries (in every sense)?Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67146303534893970052009-10-04T07:05:47.809+01:002009-10-04T07:05:47.809+01:00Mr Tighe,
Does that mean that the hopes of the TA...Mr Tighe,<br /><br />Does that mean that the hopes of the TAC are dead in the water (drowned mid-Tiber)?<br /><br />Or is it that the TAC is welcome, but as Pastoral Provision parishes, without their own bishops?Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-84923059919935996272009-10-03T23:18:15.787+01:002009-10-03T23:18:15.787+01:00"...And if It is very meet right and our boun..."...And if It is very meet right and our bounden duty is not quite a literal translation of "Vere dignum et iustum est", how exquisitely it echoes the majestic syllables with which the Roman Rite begins the Great Eucharistic Prayer." <br /><br />SPOT ON!Canon Jerome Lloyd OSJVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10764146635659770019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62965761409085854052009-10-03T15:44:52.708+01:002009-10-03T15:44:52.708+01:00I should add that we were also told that there is ...I should add that we were also told that there is little likelihood, now or in the foreseeable future, that "Rome" will ever approve the creation of an Anglican Rite "ecclesia sui juris," as "Rome" sees the Church of England and its offshoots as within the ambit of the Latin Church -- and, moreover, that it views the purpose of the Anglican Use of the Roman Rite to William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-65869218087751793942009-10-03T15:39:15.598+01:002009-10-03T15:39:15.598+01:00As I may have mentioned previously, here or elsewh...As I may have mentioned previously, here or elsewhere I cannot now recall, those of us attending the "Anglican Use" conference in Houston in June of this year were informed by one of the speakers that "Rome" (which in the context seemed to mean "Pope Benedict and those whom he has taken into his confidence on the matter") regards the Book of Divine Worship which William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82031528260785043112009-10-03T14:43:02.581+01:002009-10-03T14:43:02.581+01:00Precisely Fr H, no one could state the case better...Precisely Fr H, no one could state the case better.Independenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08199774656279385253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-6388314802396706342009-10-03T14:34:52.692+01:002009-10-03T14:34:52.692+01:00I also like the American Missal (originally publis...I also like the American Missal (originally published by Morehouse 1931, republished by Earle Maddux 1951). It makes an handsome alternative to the English Missal (better kalendar, pre-55 Holy Week, "Gaudeamus" Assumption Mass, Mass of the Five Wounds, all of S Benedict's Masses, etc.). The crippling deficiency of the American Missal is its lack of the Roman Canon. This deficiencyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com