tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post3474117829565237678..comments2024-03-18T20:38:40.751+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Virgo Potens, ora pro nobisFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-5859414681170012502019-05-18T22:55:46.626+01:002019-05-18T22:55:46.626+01:00Did you receive my emails with links and more info...Did you receive my emails with links and more information about this? <br />kSheep 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/07186450541592652214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87993699696160167622019-05-17T18:31:15.205+01:002019-05-17T18:31:15.205+01:00Father, the Klaubers were two brothers of a family...Father, the Klaubers were two brothers of a family firm of engravers in Augsburg:<br />Joseph Sebastian Klauber (1710–1768) and Johann Baptist Klauber (1712–around 1787).<br />Their insignia is an A followed by an inverted A. (The transversal is so slender, it can look very like a V).<br /><br />See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Klauber_brothers<br /><br />Looking at that page, the John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-79869986758931738322019-05-16T13:42:38.209+01:002019-05-16T13:42:38.209+01:00https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klauber_(German_en...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klauber_(German_engravers)<br /><br />I was going to look this up the other day, but I forgot. "Cath." or "Kath." was short for Catholic, as many of the other engraving companies in the area were Protestant, but they were not.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-20121639749179526442019-05-14T13:05:11.884+01:002019-05-14T13:05:11.884+01:00Father,
I found some links you may find of use:
...Father, <br />I found some links you may find of use:<br /><br />C.P.S.C.M = Cum Privilegio Sacrae Caesaris Majestatis<br /><br />A.V. = Augustae Vindelicorum ("at Augsburg")<br /><br />https://www.delineavit.nl/wp-content/uploads/Terms-in-print-addresses.pdf<br /><br />https://books.google.com/books?id=HpRhAAAAcAAJ&pg=PT121&lpg=PT121&dq=klauber+virgo+potens&source=bl&Michael Sheilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06163754990121761851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-18384257690929922852019-05-14T11:38:51.358+01:002019-05-14T11:38:51.358+01:00Dear Fr. Hunwicke,
The inscription on your print ...Dear Fr. Hunwicke,<br /><br />The inscription on your print can be expanded to read:<br /><br />Cum Privilegio Sacrae Caesaris Maiestatis Klauber Catherina sculpsit et exeravit Augusta Vindelicorum<br /><br />Katharina Klauber was a member of the Klauber family of engravers in Augsburg, which was a Free City in the Holy Roman Empire.<br /><br />Nicholas Rogers, F.S.A.Nicholas Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06809722826953028766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44287601032711446162019-05-14T11:16:05.369+01:002019-05-14T11:16:05.369+01:00A little internet sleuthing comes up with this ima...A little internet sleuthing comes up with this image:<br /><br />https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/c7/45/6dc74525cbbda7ce42a10cdbaffc2501.jpg<br /><br />CPSCM appears to be an abbreviation of "Cum Privilegio Sacrae Caesaris Maiestatis", a copyright/privilege used in Germany, in the areas of the Holy Roman Empire. <br /><br />Cf. https://books.google.it/books?id=nbxFOR8ujlYC&pg=PA134PiusLadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04216550560728248712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-51417292687809061002019-05-13T20:40:12.956+01:002019-05-13T20:40:12.956+01:00Joseph Sebastian Klauber (1710-1768) was a German ...Joseph Sebastian Klauber (1710-1768) was a German miniaturist and engraver of mostly religious subjects from Augsburg. Does this match with the Klauber mentioned?WGShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11048963132711468045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-60548001124064416422019-05-13T19:42:30.146+01:002019-05-13T19:42:30.146+01:00A copy of the picture can be found here, with the ...A copy of the picture can be found here, with the rest of the set of which it seems to form a part, depicting the Litany of Loreto.<br /><br />https://twitter.com/CatholicSat/status/995627214120128513<br /><br />The Klauber in question seems to have been one Johann Baptist Klauber, of a family of engravers from Augsburg - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klauber_(German_engravers)<br /><br />The Michael Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12863833884893399389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-30460944174224063492019-05-13T16:14:36.486+01:002019-05-13T16:14:36.486+01:00C.P.S.C.M. took a while to find but is cum privil...C.P.S.C.M. took a while to find but is <i>cum privilegio Sacrae Caesarea Majestatis<</i> In other words "With Imperial Privilege" (of the Holy Roman Emperor).<br /><br />See: https://www.delineavit.nl/wp-content/uploads/Terms-in-print-addresses.pdf<br />Jhayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07064136312272621107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-65702512774880407732019-05-13T07:30:52.942+01:002019-05-13T07:30:52.942+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sheep 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/07186450541592652214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-64592068271893909182019-05-13T07:30:23.160+01:002019-05-13T07:30:23.160+01:00The Klauber brothers (Joseph Sebastian Klauber (17...The Klauber brothers (Joseph Sebastian Klauber (1710 - 1768)<br />and Johann Baptist Klauber (1712 - 1787) did copper engravings in 18th century Germany, including all 58 of Mary's titles in the Litany of Loreto. Here is a link to a Wikipedia article about the Klaubers: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klauber_(German_engravers)" rel="nofollow">Klauber-(German Engravers)</a><br><br /><Sheep 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/07186450541592652214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75625767830673317362019-05-13T04:02:04.278+01:002019-05-13T04:02:04.278+01:00https://www.google.com/search?q=klauber+baroque+vi...https://www.google.com/search?q=klauber+baroque+virgo+potens&client=tablet-unknown&hl=en&prmd=imsvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB0Z7JwJfiAhXXSxUIHefBCDgQ_AUoAXoECAwQAQ&biw=1280&bih=800#imgrc=lxLMbP7YGdG9dMmazarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15217902381707497139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59921666160272803232019-05-13T04:01:02.272+01:002019-05-13T04:01:02.272+01:00https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klauber_(German_en...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klauber_(German_engravers)mazarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15217902381707497139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1696593642475323432019-05-13T02:13:05.004+01:002019-05-13T02:13:05.004+01:00CPSCM is a copywright. It stands for "Cum pri...CPSCM is a copywright. It stands for "Cum privilegio sacrae Caesaris Majestatis".<br />Joseph Sebastien Klauber is the engraver from Augusta Vindelicorum (Augsburg) cir. 1700.<br />Andreas Meszaroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08427763145710882785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49624562732774500372019-05-13T01:30:09.030+01:002019-05-13T01:30:09.030+01:00Through Google Books, I found a reference that loo...Through Google Books, I found a reference that looks promising for the acronym:<br /><br />"Germany. Cum Privilegio Sacrae Caesaris Maiestatis (CPSCM) (Used in the area within the jurisdiction of the Holy Roman Emperors)"<br /><br />Source:<br />Prints and Printmaking: An Introduction to the History and Techniques<br />Antony Griffiths - 1996 (P. 134) (Google books link below)<br /><br Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01408148945464169442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-32489571991695399632019-05-12T23:28:22.646+01:002019-05-12T23:28:22.646+01:00Virgo Potens is part of a series of engravings llu...Virgo Potens is part of a series of engravings llustrating the Litaniae Lauretanae. You can see some of them here by clicking the arrows at the sides.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/8129323@N03/3841857153/in/photostream/" rel="nofollow">Click here</a>Jhayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07064136312272621107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-57635663721434101072019-05-12T23:08:25.241+01:002019-05-12T23:08:25.241+01:00A.V. May be Augusta Vindelicorum, the Roman name o...A.V. May be Augusta Vindelicorum, the Roman name of Augsburg, where the Klauber Brothers publishing company was located. Jhayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07064136312272621107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-45016758760397154702019-05-12T21:59:26.484+01:002019-05-12T21:59:26.484+01:00https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klauber_(German_engr...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klauber_(German_engravers)Jovan-Marya Weismiller, T.O.Carm.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05563666190071708640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88903946741740587732019-05-12T21:29:40.123+01:002019-05-12T21:29:40.123+01:00(https://www.graphikportal.org/document/gpo0001319...(https://www.graphikportal.org/document/gpo00013192)<br />Virgo potens.<br /><br /><br />Object name Print Type Printmaking Genesis Klauber, Johann Baptist; Stecher<br />Klauber, Joseph Sebastian; Stecher<br />18th century<br />paper<br />copperplate<br />publication Augsburg<br />Dimensions height x width: 151 x 98 mm (sheet) Collection Wolfenbüttel, Herzog August Library, inventory number GraphBr. Edmundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05394564083942747847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-58326976562643513952019-05-12T21:27:13.034+01:002019-05-12T21:27:13.034+01:00«Klauber Catholici sculpserunt et excuderunt Augus...«Klauber Catholici sculpserunt et excuderunt Augustae Vindelicorum»<br />“C.P.S.C.M.” - “Cum privilegio Sacrae Caesareae Majestatis”<br /><br />(http://www.carrasco-terriza.com/klauber_padrenuestro.htm)Br. Edmundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05394564083942747847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-45318051607142864722019-05-12T20:41:21.128+01:002019-05-12T20:41:21.128+01:00Dear Father,
Methinks C.P.S.C.M. stands for "...Dear Father,<br /><br />Methinks C.P.S.C.M. stands for "Cum Privilegio Sacrae Caesareae Majestatis"; A. V. is for Augusta Vindelicorum, also known in Barbarian as Augsburg, a city in which the master engraver Johann Baptist Klauber dwelt from his birth in 1712 to his death in 1787. Also, could it be that you misread exe. for exc[udit]? That is generally the veb used for engravings.Fr. C. A. Fogielmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04017939840899570924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-72562993692283609402019-05-12T20:41:10.384+01:002019-05-12T20:41:10.384+01:00Dear Father,
Methinks C.P.S.C.M. stands for "...Dear Father,<br /><br />Methinks C.P.S.C.M. stands for "Cum Privilegio Sacrae Caesareae Majestatis"; A. V. is for Augusta Vindelicorum, also known in Barbarian as Augsburg, a city in which the master engraver Johann Baptist Klauber dwelt from his birth in 1712 to his death in 1787. Also, could it be that you misread exe. for exc[udit]? That is generally the veb used for engravings.Fr. C. A. Fogielmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04017939840899570924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26191133815317196422019-05-12T19:49:29.427+01:002019-05-12T19:49:29.427+01:00A V = Augusta (or Augusta’s) Vindelicorum = Augsbu...A V = Augusta (or Augusta’s) Vindelicorum = AugsburgMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04469448997139436175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-55753022461468029842019-05-12T19:43:51.533+01:002019-05-12T19:43:51.533+01:00C.P.S.C.M. = cum privilegio sacrae caesaris maiest...C.P.S.C.M. = cum privilegio sacrae caesaris maiestatis (used in Germany in areas under the jurisdiction of the holy roman emperor). Basically a copyright. See Griffiths, Print and Printmaking: an introduction to the history and techniques (1996).Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04469448997139436175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26814306288911806382019-05-12T19:30:45.752+01:002019-05-12T19:30:45.752+01:00Oops - forgot the letter description:
cum privile...Oops - forgot the letter description:<br /><br />cum privilegio sacrae Caesaris Maiestatis = CPSCM (refers to the Holy Roman Emperor)cyrus83https://www.blogger.com/profile/06055801885180497088noreply@blogger.com