tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post3360087259477726085..comments2024-03-29T14:32:13.886+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: POPES AND LAWFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70285863833897486492013-12-26T23:05:05.909+00:002013-12-26T23:05:05.909+00:00The Filioque was the first overuse of Papal power;...The Filioque was the first overuse of Papal power; what other options exist other than1) he had the right to do so then and can do whatever he wants now or 2) the Orthodox approach is if greater antiquity Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12833345391579579562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33918357492383456892013-12-23T20:57:58.442+00:002013-12-23T20:57:58.442+00:00I asked a question, I did not express an opinion. ...I asked a question, I did not express an opinion. The question is a real one: in matters of purely positive ecclesiastical law, who or what limits the power of the Supreme Pontiff. I ask because I would like to know.Don Camillo SSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15181985690276317480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-36056629974267989992013-12-23T09:36:02.493+00:002013-12-23T09:36:02.493+00:00Just to correct dear Rev Fr. ,
Jackie in no way wh...Just to correct dear Rev Fr. ,<br />Jackie in no way whatsover thinks the Pope is in any way whatsover equal to Our Blessed Lord. My comment re the Sabbath merely referred to the Pharisees observance of the law.Shirelands Goldadorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823419686729840803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-4385499063623051552013-12-23T01:09:11.314+00:002013-12-23T01:09:11.314+00:00I have always wondered what Peter can bind and loo...I have always wondered what Peter can bind and loose, i.e. anything he chooses or are there limits on papal authority? Can a Pope overstep his authority as the Vicar of Christ?Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14602781950569657392013-12-23T00:25:10.102+00:002013-12-23T00:25:10.102+00:00If Fr. Spilsbury is correct in his assessment that...If Fr. Spilsbury is correct in his assessment that a Pope has the right to simply ignore laws that receive their authority to bind from his own office as the Supreme Legislator, then it would appear that the power with which the Pope is invested is indeed absolute and arbitrary.<br /><br />Would the formation in Canon Law received by the Ordinariate clergy confirm this interpretation? Did the Deacon Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549825303646357455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-79259701443700327412013-12-22T22:55:39.982+00:002013-12-22T22:55:39.982+00:00Problem: from where does Canon Law derive its auth...Problem: from where does Canon Law derive its authority? The Church is not a parliamentary democracy, where laws are made by an elected and representative body. As far as I can see, a canon binds either because it has been enacted by a synod or council ratified by the Supreme Pontiff, or by the Supreme Pontiff himself. If (even informally) he decides to ignore a merely positive rule on a Don Camillo SSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15181985690276317480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-973805011792262902013-12-22T22:25:17.625+00:002013-12-22T22:25:17.625+00:00I might suggest a fourth option, suggested by an o...I might suggest a fourth option, suggested by an observation of the poet Eliot in his essay, "Thoughts on Lambeth." (I would have simply cut and paste it if I could have found it on the internet--and my personal copy of the book is elsewhere. I am summarizing from distant memory). There Eliot observes that the English understanding of law and the Roman understanding are often quite rick allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612435616018593956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87603223875408653502013-12-22T16:22:42.201+00:002013-12-22T16:22:42.201+00:00I just want this Pontificate to end before it unde...I just want this Pontificate to end before it undermines my Faith, Hope and Charity. As a thirtysomething South African, I returned to the bosom of the Church in the happy years of Pope Benedict after a sojourn of 12 years with the SSPX. Now it seems all I ran from when I turned to them is back with a vengeance. Fortunately, I have the oasis of an excellent Parish with orthodox Priests and a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71390479131569936032013-12-22T12:01:29.716+00:002013-12-22T12:01:29.716+00:0018] Thou art Peter: As St. Peter, by divine revela...18] Thou art Peter: As St. Peter, by divine revelation, here made a solemn profession of his faith of the divinity of Christ; so in recompense of this faith and profession, our Lord here declares to him the dignity to which he is pleased to raise him: viz., that he to whom he had already given the name of Peter, signifying a rock, St. John 1. 42, should be a rock indeed, of invincible strength, Shirelands Goldadorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823419686729840803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87314721209377130392013-12-22T10:42:17.186+00:002013-12-22T10:42:17.186+00:00I have been in a state of depression since the ele...I have been in a state of depression since the election of the new pontiff. I have committed my self to watch and week after week I witness more confusion and distress - Yes, at the end of the day Peter is Peter and the pool of eligible cardinals poor- what can be expected. May God have mercy on usThe Sybilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03830034497895166011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-15493588054633638962013-12-22T10:33:58.789+00:002013-12-22T10:33:58.789+00:00Jackie clearly believes that the Bishop of Rome ha...Jackie clearly believes that the Bishop of Rome has the same authority to define, interpret and set aside Divine Law, as the Incarnate Second Person of the Blessed Trinity does. This is precisely the sort of bloated idea of Papal authority which I find unappealing.<br /><br />BTW, Brown Driver Briggs gives little support to the idea that ISH in psalm 1 means anything other than male. Even if it Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-8108570120007659522013-12-22T10:13:28.540+00:002013-12-22T10:13:28.540+00:00Was the Sabbath not made for man but man for the S...Was the Sabbath not made for man but man for the Sabbath?Shirelands Goldadorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823419686729840803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33424753080554036622013-12-22T08:28:31.467+00:002013-12-22T08:28:31.467+00:00It may be observed that not all Latin translations...It may be observed that not all Latin translations of Ps.1:1 use "vir". Castellio, for instance, has "Beatus homo qui in impiorum consilio non versatur, nec improborum viam insistit, nec in sede scurrarum sedet". Another translation I've seen opens with "Beatitudo homini qui ...".Patruushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05792337561584462641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-2120696094289343882013-12-21T21:59:52.630+00:002013-12-21T21:59:52.630+00:00Rubricarius,
"Beatus vir qui non abiit in con...Rubricarius,<br />"<i>Beatus vir qui non abiit in consilio impiorum</i> etc surely does not exclude women?"<br />For the many Church Fathers who interpreted Psalm 1 Christologically, it effectively does. See the late Chrysogonus Waddell's important article on the subject in <i>Communio</i> (1995). (Of course on that reading it also excludes all men but One.)Ben Whitworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499311491843942923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21498631980255715122013-12-21T20:19:45.994+00:002013-12-21T20:19:45.994+00:00Rubricarias
yes it does exclude women. The "...Rubricarias <br />yes it does exclude women. The "beatus vir" of Psalm1 is our Lord Jesus Christ.Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12690803904061499252013-12-21T16:37:15.514+00:002013-12-21T16:37:15.514+00:00"L'état, c'est moi"-Louis XIV. W..."L'état, c'est moi"-Louis XIV. What a disaster. Centralizing power in one person guiding a bureaucracy, instead of a system with an unquestioned head working in hierarchial cooperation, is a disaster.<br />I love Francis. I find him to be very holy, and Evangelli Gaudium seems to be a great document. But I can't understand his governance, and the neo-conservative Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62907319442002517112013-12-21T16:09:07.278+00:002013-12-21T16:09:07.278+00:00Beatus vir qui non abiit in consilio impiorum etc ...<i>Beatus vir qui non abiit in consilio impiorum</i> etc surely does not exclude women?<br />Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-58583795783423382842013-12-21T14:02:23.344+00:002013-12-21T14:02:23.344+00:00Joshua,
“he is very much a Latin American, an Arg...Joshua,<br /><br />“he is very much a Latin American, an Argentinian”<br /><br />Too true! I know that part of the world reasonably well. They are intuitive, instinctive, but careless Catholics. <br /><br />Now that’s all very well for laity and priests and even bishops, in Buenos Aires, for instance, but not out in the big bad world. He will learn, don’t worry!Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75145099240125729012013-12-21T14:01:00.172+00:002013-12-21T14:01:00.172+00:00As to the pedilavium, I had an uncomfortable feeli...As to the <i>pedilavium</i>, I had an uncomfortable feeling about it. I know the law is flouted all over the place, but one expects the Holy Father to lead by example - especially when it comes to Church law.<br /><br />As to Fr. Volpi’s action, I am at a loss. If this was done at the behest - or with the approval - of Pope Francis, it is hard to square it with the Holy Father’s oft-repeated GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-28603469772819698602013-12-21T13:54:43.517+00:002013-12-21T13:54:43.517+00:00I think we should all hold tight and hold on and n...I think we should all hold tight and hold on and not panic. We have to give this pontificate time to bed down. I also think that we should pray and that we do have right, temperately and respectfully, to share our anxieties. <br /><br />I apologise to those whose comments I have not enabled. It was my judgement that we should go carefully and with proper obsequium religiosum towards the SuccessorFr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62399119911251017482013-12-21T13:37:00.405+00:002013-12-21T13:37:00.405+00:00Dear Father,
So glad to have you writing again for...Dear Father,<br />So glad to have you writing again for edification of those who wish to read. Thank you and God bless you for many years of active apostolate in this and every form.<br /><br />As to your last (rhetorical) question, my own cynical reaction is to answer with another question: does he care? Pope Francis is fixing his attention and care on the underclass. He is allowing his B flathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17611595580578224726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70985177377714808972013-12-21T13:34:48.317+00:002013-12-21T13:34:48.317+00:00Dear Father,
So glad to have you writing again for...Dear Father,<br />So glad to have you writing again for edification of those who wish to read. Thank you and God bless you for many years of active apostolate in this and every form.<br /><br />As to your last (rhetorical) question, my own cynical reaction is to answer with another question: does he care? Pope Francis is fixing his attention and care on the underclass. He is allowing his B flathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17611595580578224726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-80790744052602414822013-12-21T11:25:38.925+00:002013-12-21T11:25:38.925+00:00The”law“must not be disregarded. Did St Thomas Mor...The”law“must not be disregarded. Did St Thomas More not say something like this? Well he did in the film anyway!<br /><br />I agree. Your points (2) and (3) are definitely out. But you raise something indirectly, which is very interesting, namely can a Pope ever overrule the considered and therefore binding teaching and authority of an earlier Pope. <br /><br />I must be careful since I am Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-55869946382843422842013-12-21T10:23:08.841+00:002013-12-21T10:23:08.841+00:00Several close friends all expressed their unease -...Several close friends all expressed their unease - as loyal and orthodox Catholics – with the present occupant of the Apostolic See; I had to in all honesty candidly confess to sharing same.<br /><br />In defence of Pope Francis, God bless him, I had to mount the cultural argument: that he is very much a Latin American, an Argentinian (surely not a Peronist?!); and to Anglo-Saxons, things Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.com