tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post3298286842956509352..comments2024-03-18T20:38:40.751+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Sedevacantism yet againFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40489153490904745542015-11-25T14:27:44.041+00:002015-11-25T14:27:44.041+00:00Check out a new book: THE SEDEVACANTIST DELUSION: ...Check out a new book: THE SEDEVACANTIST DELUSION: Why Vatican II's Clash with Sedevacantism Supports Eastern Orthodoxy by John Pontrello. Selling on Amazon. The book explains why apologists for the Vatican apparatus under Francis and the Sedevacantists are both correct and wrong - each side argues from a false premise.Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03330842684689942583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-41192951316038258132015-11-19T18:23:17.723+00:002015-11-19T18:23:17.723+00:00Sorry ... but ten typos in four lines! Dear Dom Ha...Sorry ... but ten typos in four lines! Dear Dom Harold, is your time really so short that you can't check through what you write? I would have thought that was an obvious courtesy.Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67550373558389960192015-11-17T15:15:40.015+00:002015-11-17T15:15:40.015+00:00DeSr Dom HSrold
I enSbled your comment on the str...DeSr Dom HSrold<br /><br />I enSbled your comment on the strict understSnding thSt you hSve cSrefully checked thSt Pope Bergoglio does NOT reSd my blog.<br /><br />You will find the letter A just to the left of letter S on your keyboSrd. How I envy you chSps with the twinkling fingers who cSn type St S 1,000 digits S minute!Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-35528686149310654942015-11-17T15:11:14.663+00:002015-11-17T15:11:14.663+00:00@Father Hunwicke,
Are you inviting us to sign in ...@Father Hunwicke,<br /><br />Are you inviting us to sign in your blood? Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-18862276890380008702015-11-17T15:07:01.247+00:002015-11-17T15:07:01.247+00:00Dear Opacus
I hereby undertake not in future to u...Dear Opacus<br /><br />I hereby undertake not in future to use the phrase ex cathedra or a vernacular equivalent except when I am talking about definitions which come within the Vatican I formula regarding papal infallibility. For the sake of lucidity and clarity, I invite others to join me in this self-denying ordinance. <br /><br />Signed in my own blood<br /><br />John HunwickeFr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-5792868201810083172015-11-17T12:41:55.180+00:002015-11-17T12:41:55.180+00:00Pope Francis as Universal Supreme Legistor of the ...Pope Francis as Universal Supreme Legistor of the Roman Catholc Church could if he wished chsnge the mode if electing the. next Pope, His Successor, although hopefully not for s grest msny years yet. Pope Francis could even if He wished appoint a Coadjudor bishop of Rome with rights of immediate succession as Bishop of Rome and so consquently Pope after His death.Dom Haroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07639999286262520052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-28270853803509081072015-11-17T10:50:52.028+00:002015-11-17T10:50:52.028+00:00Agreed, so far! The phrase 'from the Chair...Agreed, so far! The phrase 'from the Chair', however, is intended to suggest not just 'ex Cathedra' definitions but any kind of teaching situation in which Catholics have traditionally thought that a pope could not get it wrong. There are strong arguments from previous teaching which conclude that popes cannot require religious submission to evil or error, consequently anyone Opacushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11669937390170566846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1088234309274512212015-11-17T09:05:56.236+00:002015-11-17T09:05:56.236+00:00Dear Opacus
I note your phrase "from the cha...Dear Opacus<br /><br />I note your phrase "from the chair", i.e. Ex Cathedra. This level of papal teaching involves an elaborate procedure only used in 1854 and 1950, involving the Pope in having previously secured the morally unanimous agreement of the world-wide episcopate. That Pope Francis would attempt or secure that consent seems, in the present circumstances, massively unlikey. Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88677368908999809542015-11-16T22:27:28.959+00:002015-11-16T22:27:28.959+00:00Instead of deciding for oneself to be a Sedevacant...Instead of deciding for oneself to be a Sedevacantist, one could rely on an authority. There are, however, more authorities to rely on than just the scriptures and the popes. There is also logic. Sedevacantism could be based on an appeal to logical laws rather canon laws. Thus Catholics believe:<br /> <br />(a) If <i>x</i> is a pope and <i>x</i> is teaching from the chair of St. Peter then <iOpacushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11669937390170566846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-20503596424059924022015-11-16T22:25:35.525+00:002015-11-16T22:25:35.525+00:00Instead of deciding for oneself to be a Sedevacant...Instead of deciding for oneself to be a Sedevacantist, one could rely on an authority. There are, however, more authorities to rely on than just the scriptures, the councils and the popes. There is also logic. Sedevacantism could, for instance, be based on an appeal to logical laws rather canon laws. Thus Catholics believe:<br /> <br />(a) If <i>x</i> is a pope and <i>x</i> is teaching from Opacushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11669937390170566846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29589940529542420692015-11-16T13:36:21.844+00:002015-11-16T13:36:21.844+00:00Father, what I know about these upper-level goings...Father, what I know about these upper-level goings on could fit into that mustard seed we heard about yesterday, but I have often read comments pope francis has made that are contradictory to what I have read are basic Catholic teaching. <br />An upcoming Apostolic Exhortation does not even seem necessary. He seems to have taught heresy already.<br />How likely is it that such a charge will be Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-64365896996016427292015-11-16T02:54:39.275+00:002015-11-16T02:54:39.275+00:00And then there is the absurd idea that John XXIII ...And then there is the absurd idea that John XXIII was the heretic while Pius XII was the last "true pope". He set up everything Roncalli and Montini eventuated.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-35999846330497956082015-11-15T18:14:17.972+00:002015-11-15T18:14:17.972+00:00Heavens, why all this fuss about a wayward ordinar...Heavens, why all this fuss about a wayward ordinary? Such making a mountain out of a molehill leads the outside observer to conclude that Catholics are not mature enough to even have a sensus fidelium. Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12833345391579579562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-10642230694625658702015-11-15T18:07:34.795+00:002015-11-15T18:07:34.795+00:00How can the See of Peter be vacant? We have two li...How can the See of Peter be vacant? We have two living Popes. If you don't like one, there's always the other.<br /><br />Maybe God didn't accept BXVI's resignation. It happens, you know. Just because you submit your resignation doesn't mean it will be accepted. God usually calls "time" on a pontificate. I don't think it's a good idea to transfer that task tokiwiinamericahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03584836925358624544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-86716186015532100722015-11-15T17:43:45.282+00:002015-11-15T17:43:45.282+00:00Francis is Pope. Any other idea is just daft. An...Francis is Pope. Any other idea is just daft. And yes Father, Popes can be at fault. You mention Bellarmine . I have also looked at Suarez, and others, Wahlund and of course Michael Davies. A recent paper by Benedict Constable on 1 Peter5 is interesting.<br /><br />One thing I am glad about right now is that I don't have Francis' job to do!Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-36556064696545496202015-11-15T15:51:45.979+00:002015-11-15T15:51:45.979+00:00Dear Novian
Yes, I accept your point. My mind wa...Dear Novian<br /> <br />Yes, I accept your point. My mind was illogically lingering on the rather knotty question "What would be a competent body to depose a Pope or declare him deposed?"; and remembering the precedents of the fifteenth cetury.<br /><br />John HunwickeFr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-65909608876838709992015-11-15T14:57:41.704+00:002015-11-15T14:57:41.704+00:00The Novus Ordo Watch/ Bishop Sanborn/Fr Cekada/Chr...The Novus Ordo Watch/ Bishop Sanborn/Fr Cekada/Christ or Chaos Nexus is one whose Creed is that there has been no Pope since Pius XII (1958) and that there have been no Masses since the imposition of The Pauline Rite and that there are no valid sacraments in the Catholic Church and so their existence and their Creed represents the latter day revelation of Jesus's secret plan to eliminate the Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-69960487390667766322015-11-15T14:11:17.750+00:002015-11-15T14:11:17.750+00:00Dear Father,
Can. 335 declares that when the Roma...Dear Father,<br /><br />Can. 335 declares that when the Roman See is vacant or entirely impeded (i.e., the Pope has become sui non compos), nothing is to be altered in the governance of the universal Church; the special laws issued for these circumstances, however, are to be observed."<br /><br />Now I am not certain what passes for an 'impeded' See in virtue of 'sui non compos&#Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40795771309946060032015-11-15T13:44:33.353+00:002015-11-15T13:44:33.353+00:00Good post Fr !Their is alot wrong with this Bishop...Good post Fr !Their is alot wrong with this Bishop of Rome but -for the moment-he is a bad,but legitimate Pope.Pray for him.God Bless.philipjohnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128964006463059159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-85096148297461964072015-11-15T13:24:49.209+00:002015-11-15T13:24:49.209+00:00I am troubled, Father, when you imply that after t...I am troubled, Father, when you imply that after the college of cardinals, the next body able to elect a pope would be an ecumenical council. An ecumenical council has absolutely no power to elect a pope. The Catholic Encyclopedia ("Conclave") states that Julius II, Paul III, Pius IV, and Pius IX all affirmed this.<br /><br />If the college of cardinals expired, the responsibility of Novianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09950202747011894890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9423997914732386962015-11-15T11:47:25.212+00:002015-11-15T11:47:25.212+00:00Final paragraph says it all, Father!Final paragraph says it all, Father!tradgardmastarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13116967655904601740noreply@blogger.com