tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post3190822229762075168..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Rowan's LectureFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82996443154588160212009-11-28T10:29:40.989+00:002009-11-28T10:29:40.989+00:00"By the way, why does everyone call the archb..."By the way, why does everyone call the archbishop by his first name?"<br /><br />I can discern three factors:<br /><br />1. The general cult of informality and pseudo-friendliness, which is now rampant in Britain - to the point where it is almost rude not to address people by their Christian names*. (It is salutary to reflect how much British society has changed in the last twenty Sir Watkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02000106556898498656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87246483636134960062009-11-26T13:53:32.640+00:002009-11-26T13:53:32.640+00:00No, Diagnostic, Archbishop Williams does not belie...No, Diagnostic, Archbishop Williams does not believe in the "infallibility of the Church" in anything like the terms in which you have expressed it. Neither do I: and there is nothing in the New Testament or the historic formularies of the Church of England which requires either of us to do so.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09367545445575135099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-72548566225116661132009-11-26T09:28:28.857+00:002009-11-26T09:28:28.857+00:00When I was at the 1978 Lambeth Conference I heard ...When I was at the 1978 Lambeth Conference I heard a lecture from the Rev'd Dr John Macquarrie. In that lecture he did not refer so much as to first and second order as to what he regarded as central doctrines in the hierarchy of of truths. He said that he thought that "the question of whether women can be priests belongs to this outer grey peripheral area." At the time I thought Cherubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10998294374027724557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-10548755125779591032009-11-26T06:48:30.785+00:002009-11-26T06:48:30.785+00:00David I heartily agree:
Archbishop Robert? ( Ru...David I heartily agree: <br /><br />Archbishop Robert? ( Runcie )<br />Archbishop Donald? Michael? Geoffrey?<br /><br />Vulgar, vulgar, vulgar<br /><br />One used to wait to be invited to first name terms. This is part of a false and shallow equality which seeks to make light of office and enthrone personalityNebulyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11251303196283705580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-23746848620313129592009-11-26T03:28:50.983+00:002009-11-26T03:28:50.983+00:00I have formed opinions on that address only to rev...I have formed opinions on that address only to reverse them the following day and again the day after that. I do feel, however, that the archbishop is treating the sacrament of orders aspart of the bene esse rather than the esse of the Church and this I cannot accept.<br /><br />By the way, why does everyone call the archbishop by his first name?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352598115559204014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49361579418432454392009-11-25T21:00:18.016+00:002009-11-25T21:00:18.016+00:00Quoting Lewis that is...Quoting Lewis that is...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24126376461332500842009-11-25T20:58:43.463+00:002009-11-25T20:58:43.463+00:00Rowan apparently was referencing C.S. Lewis essay ...Rowan apparently was referencing C.S. Lewis essay "First and Second Things." Quoting:<br /><br />"To sacrifice the greater good for the less and then not to get the lesser good after all--that is the surprising folly. . . Every preference of a small good to a great, or a partial good to a total good, involves the loss of the small or partial good for which the sacrifice was made. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-5804370463800629652009-11-25T20:48:38.211+00:002009-11-25T20:48:38.211+00:00Much as I respect His grace I feel very unhappy ab...Much as I respect His grace I feel very unhappy about this and as Diagnostic hints at a Vincentian Canon approach I feel that these approaches fall. <br /><br />We have ordained women as a second order adjustment to the received Apostolic Order historically acknowledged by all everywhere, until the Protestant rupture.<br /><br />Were the local Church in England to adjust the Ministry as our Nebulyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11251303196283705580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21631930240403463082009-11-25T18:26:48.393+00:002009-11-25T18:26:48.393+00:00Dr Williams' arguments are fatuous at best. As...Dr Williams' arguments are fatuous at best. As a man who, supposedly, is very knowledgeable about theology it is beyond me how he manages to misunderstand or ride roughshod over the most basic points of Catholic theology. <br /><br />Where does this distinction of "first order" and "second order" come from? What basis does he have for this hierarchy of doctrine?<br /><br /Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03682980118692853342noreply@blogger.com