tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post3003666027364589109..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: The Fulness of GraceFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-46671567956575607732008-10-14T02:17:00.000+01:002008-10-14T02:17:00.000+01:00Dear Fr Hunwicke,If nothing else, your post moved ...Dear Fr Hunwicke,<BR/><BR/>If nothing else, your post moved "gengulphus" (Why can't people use their real names!!!)to alert us to the the online Concordantia Missalis. What a wonderful discovery. THANK YOU.<BR/><BR/>(I must confess to having noticed hints of semi-pelagianism in the Missal over the years - especially [and curiously] in post-communion collects. There are some Novus Ordo ones that David Chisletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14270108117063682909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-45981750884496315712008-10-14T02:11:00.000+01:002008-10-14T02:11:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.David Chisletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14270108117063682909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40205976487147846472008-10-13T21:21:00.000+01:002008-10-13T21:21:00.000+01:00pleroma does not offer anything relevant from the ...<I>pleroma does not offer anything relevant from the Pauline Corpus</I><BR/><BR/>But surely John 1.16 is a more than adequate source for the idea expressed in the collect that you cite.Gengulphushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13700411155477119784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-42298883017643719562008-10-13T20:23:00.000+01:002008-10-13T20:23:00.000+01:00Dear Father,Forgive me if this is too obvious a re...Dear Father,<BR/><BR/>Forgive me if this is too obvious a resource, or one which you are aware of already, but the online <I>Concordantia Missalis</I> <BR/>on: http://www.rifugiodelleanime.org/m3/<BR/>is quite useful for this sort of thing. It throws up all relevant quotations in a 'corpus', in which they can be readily compared.<BR/><BR/>But there is absolutely <I>nothing wrong</I> with Gengulphushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13700411155477119784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49791340675328632652008-10-13T19:59:00.000+01:002008-10-13T19:59:00.000+01:00"But these fullness phrases suggest that we've alr..."But these fullness phrases suggest that we've already got quite a nice lot of Grace or Redemption or whatever, but are turning to God for a useful top-up, or to receive the total works. Which is not so much semi- as fully Pelagian."<BR/>Hmmm..<BR/>I had always understood that Pelgianism meant that man could "pull himself up to heaven by his own boot-straps" as it was memorably put to me.<BR/>A John F H Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032884551581324489noreply@blogger.com