tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post2973576227122411055..comments2024-03-29T09:39:50.604+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: The Liturgy of the Hours, friday week 2; eviscerated!Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26286696365696964912018-03-06T17:38:25.052+00:002018-03-06T17:38:25.052+00:00@Randolph Crane
I'm aware of that. My questio...@Randolph Crane<br /><br />I'm aware of that. My question is if there is any specific commentary on the fact that Adam was clothed in skins and relating that to the Incarnation. I've read a bit of the Fathers, but I don't believe I've come across this yet.Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24114757003398826182018-03-05T14:41:32.525+00:002018-03-05T14:41:32.525+00:00Fr Hunwicke, thanks for publishing my comment, and...Fr Hunwicke, thanks for publishing my comment, and for your response. I'm afraid that in attempting to be brief I failed to make clear how important I considered your remarks re the dangers in uncritical reading of the psalms.<br /><br />The whole issue of the proper approach to scripture is, of course, too complex and important a topic to be dealt with readily in the comments section of a mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12847411975641738898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19962994289959819212018-03-05T14:15:34.521+00:002018-03-05T14:15:34.521+00:00Re: Jesus' use of typology, He did a heckuva l...Re: Jesus' use of typology, He did a heckuva lot of talking about the Song of the Vineyard and the fate of the owner's Son. He also cursed a fig tree, which is fairly incomprehensible unless you get the Scriptural references. He made a big deal of Himself being the Son of Man and the Son of David, of representing the Messianic prophecies by His actions, and of making sure to show Himself Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-17732567112476570012018-03-04T18:41:52.130+00:002018-03-04T18:41:52.130+00:00@Marco da Vinha:
Christ being the New Adam is a c...@Marco da Vinha:<br /><br />Christ being the New Adam is a constant teaching of the Church.<br /><br />If you are looking for Patristic writings on this, read just about everything the Holy Fathers have written about Baptism.Randolph Cranehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16696593312319487318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21351147684722324382018-03-04T16:15:44.410+00:002018-03-04T16:15:44.410+00:00Well, Mr Wauck, even liberal commentators seem to ...Well, Mr Wauck, even liberal commentators seem to be convinced that the Lord really did see himself as the antitype of the Temple. And if you are right in your conviction that he had little time for Typology, clearly SS Peter and Paul got things badly wrong. We seem to be back to the dreary old liberal Prod nonsense about how the Apostles completely misunderstiood etc. etc.. Not in my name!!Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67303497060431058502018-03-03T16:02:35.313+00:002018-03-03T16:02:35.313+00:00Restoring the deleted portions of the psalter, and...Restoring the deleted portions of the psalter, and similarly, restoring deleted readings from the lectionary, is one of those less ambitious, "nibble around the edges" reforms that we might hope for, even if much greater corrections of post-Vatican II missteps seem out of reach.Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-43875015371477072252018-03-03T05:25:49.392+00:002018-03-03T05:25:49.392+00:00Thank you for this. I agree entirely, but would ad...Thank you for this. I agree entirely, but would add just one point. The intertextuality of which you speak is not just patristic and medieval, but is also the way Scripture interprets itself. This is most obvious to Christians in the New Testament (e.g. Paul's citations of the Old Testament and the use of Ps 109 and Ps 118:22 in the apostolic preaching in Acts), but the New Testament carries PMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06144651697262763099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33312662783872720592018-03-02T20:07:18.084+00:002018-03-02T20:07:18.084+00:00But father, what do you mean by this: "I am n...But father, what do you mean by this: "I am not one who believes that every psalm needs to be read in the Divine Office"? It seems that history indeed supports the "integralist" approach. Both "secular" and monastic versions of the Divine Office of Roman rite include all 150 Psalms with all the verses. And so far I remember what Fr. Taft wrote this is true for most Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-76998025935526631642018-03-02T19:51:30.399+00:002018-03-02T19:51:30.399+00:00The damage done to the psalms in the _LH_ is a fre...The damage done to the psalms in the _LH_ is a frequent lament of mine. As in so many areas, the astounding arrogance, pastoral insensitivity, and general ignorance of education levels today displayed by the Consilium was insulting, not to mention incompetent. Are we all suddenly so stupid that we are incapable of understand the psalms - as well as other places in the Scriptures where Stan Methenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988769485920452276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-52548547139026367382018-03-02T17:50:08.833+00:002018-03-02T17:50:08.833+00:00Fr H, I am mystified by these two sentences: "...Fr H, I am mystified by these two sentences: "I am not one who believes that every psalm needs to be read in the Divine Office. History gives imperfect support for such an integralist approach to the Book of Psalms and their use in Christian worship." Especially on account of the ancient Roman & Benedictine schemata for the weekly Psalter, which abridged the practice of recitation Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33526390120485088732018-03-02T17:33:01.809+00:002018-03-02T17:33:01.809+00:00For some reason, a lot of people dislike the idea ...For some reason, a lot of people dislike the idea of the Lord laughing at malevolent sinners. Guilty conscience, maybe?Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-38808200098496181112018-03-02T14:27:44.751+00:002018-03-02T14:27:44.751+00:00I have tried to pray the LH, and I felt like I was...I have tried to pray the LH, and I felt like I was betrying the Church. It caused me actual physical pain and a bad conscience. I have tried to make up for that by also praying the same hour of the traditional Divine Office.<br /><br />Although I am of the opinion that every psalm should be contained within the Divine Office, they are usually not all read in the course of one week. There might beRandolph Cranehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16696593312319487318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-76276492902793008842018-03-02T13:32:17.260+00:002018-03-02T13:32:17.260+00:00I"m unaware of Jesus ever tracing out "t...I"m unaware of Jesus ever tracing out "the richly complex patterns of intertextuality" when explaining Scripture or teaching. Some might say, how about when he "opened" the Scriptures to the disciples on the road to Emmaus? but unfortunately neither this nor any other example of Dominical "tracing out" was actually preserved by the disciples. What <i>was</i> mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12847411975641738898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-81042003715150459772018-03-02T12:55:48.453+00:002018-03-02T12:55:48.453+00:00As we're on the topic of typology, maybe you c...As we're on the topic of typology, maybe you could clarify something for me Father. Lately I've been thinking about about Adam, in light of our child's recent baptism. It suddenly struck me that, if the old Adam is God's son (made in His image and likeness) and was given garments of animal skins when he was expelled from Eden, can we not see in this a prefiguration of the Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21335387588214001312018-03-02T11:29:33.875+00:002018-03-02T11:29:33.875+00:00I have wondered many times how likely a reform of ...I have wondered many times how likely a reform of the Liturgica Horarum might be. Besides the problems with the editing of the psalms, I would like to see the Gospel read at the Vigil for Sundays, Solemnities, and Feasts to be the Gospel which is read at Mass, instead of of a generic Paschal Gospel. It is not just that this is traditional but rather that it is what a Vigil Office is supposed to Feed Room Fivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03495282502799133124noreply@blogger.com