tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post2935144315525355931..comments2024-03-27T17:29:51.954+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Cardinal Wuerl ...Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-20323173407541280612018-10-17T22:26:56.859+01:002018-10-17T22:26:56.859+01:00Have not commented here for a while Father, but ju...Have not commented here for a while Father, but just quoted you in a Twitter thread about Brexit, for reasons not entirely clear, but to do with Latin Mass. "It's a good life if you don't weaken," as my confessor Brother Bernard SSF used to say!Gareth Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562451888727083900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-37132800505901190932018-10-17T03:39:11.829+01:002018-10-17T03:39:11.829+01:00I am a parishioner at St. Barnabas in Omaha, and I...I am a parishioner at St. Barnabas in Omaha, and I can happily report that Low Mass in the Extraordinary Form is again celebrated here, every Tuesday morning, with the express permission of Bishop Lopes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550726108992197031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-78821025053218700412018-10-16T01:15:38.620+01:002018-10-16T01:15:38.620+01:00This does not surprise me in the least about Bp. W...This does not surprise me in the least about Bp. Wuerl. Touching on homeschooling also: Bp. Wuerl, when he was the Ordinary of Pittsburgh, meddled in matters involving TORCH and caused quite a bit of confusion and dissension in Catholic homeschool groups. His position effectively amounted to telling homeschoolers: if the bishop says it, you HAVE TO do it, period. Not surprisingly, this did notTonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07159134209092031897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29178020099644404352018-10-15T21:50:23.985+01:002018-10-15T21:50:23.985+01:00"Is the EF "part of our Patrimony"?..."Is the EF "part of our Patrimony"? In one sense, clearly not. The provinces of the Anglican Communion never authorised the Missal of S Pius V."<br /><br />Not completely true. The Missal of S Pius V was authorised in the American Protestant Episcopal Church for small groups of Italians and Hungarians who, mostly because of ethnic problems with the overwhelmingly Irish Roman Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232162218034432274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49381963665369513052018-10-15T20:45:29.537+01:002018-10-15T20:45:29.537+01:00@Jonathan Dandridge: Fair point, thank you. Is th...@Jonathan Dandridge: Fair point, thank you. Is the Ordinariate being hindered by the mafia? I thought that the point was to take the members out from under the NO hierarchy.Donna Bethellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03889995101309151034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-83743590867556027402018-10-15T16:18:15.796+01:002018-10-15T16:18:15.796+01:00"Is it fair to say that if the usus antiquior...<i>"Is it fair to say that if the usus antiquior were universally available or if there were no NO, there would be no need for the Ordinariates? In other words, the function of the Ordinariates is to save former members of the Anglican Communion from the NO."</i><br /><br />I would say no, the Ordinariate is a legitimate usage with its own unique charisms and is more than just a refuge John Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352405449391514146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-20548773708501356362018-10-14T18:39:25.793+01:002018-10-14T18:39:25.793+01:00@A von B: Exactly. It is ludicrous to say that th...@A von B: Exactly. It is ludicrous to say that the Gregorian Rite is not in the heritage of any Latin Rite Catholic. And if members of the Ordinariate want it, that is their right under <i>Summorum Pontificum</i>. <br /><br />Is it fair to say that if the <i>usus antiquior</i> were universally available or if there were no NO, there would be no need for the Ordinariates? In other words, the Donna Bethellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03889995101309151034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-15044908709938447902018-10-14T14:24:12.185+01:002018-10-14T14:24:12.185+01:00My understanding is that it was Cardinal Weurl who...My understanding is that it was Cardinal Weurl who forbade the EF in the American Ordinariate but this has been reversed by Bishop Lopes.Feed Room Fivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03495282502799133124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-69096206448342114452018-10-14T12:45:35.889+01:002018-10-14T12:45:35.889+01:00I have know one of the principals for a very long ...I have know one of the principals for a very long time, and also I was in a position observe a good bit of what was going on. This was certainly my impression of events, and I have no reason to doubt it. Happily there is a much different attitude under Bp. Lopes, whom I have met and like very much. Fr. Michael LaRuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04824777871450270095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-66667335270831209372018-10-13T23:57:05.307+01:002018-10-13T23:57:05.307+01:00Well, the good ordinary's reply to W should ha...Well, the good ordinary's reply to W should have been, " right, well, in that case we'll just use the Missale Sarisburiense!", although he could have mentioned that on the morning of the day he died, Richard III would have heard mass at the Franciscan convent at Leicester according to the Missale Romanum.<br />Albrecht von Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12996637489269911349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-18168716428943343822018-10-13T20:47:58.803+01:002018-10-13T20:47:58.803+01:00I am not familiar with this particular incident, b...I am not familiar with this particular incident, but Cardinal Wuerl was named a kind of papal delegate to the Ordinariate in the US when it was established, so he would be in a position to to do this. I can say that here in the Archdiocese of Washington he is no friend of the <i>usus antiquior</i> and his priests know it. He tried to stop two priests who were celebrating it privately, with no Donna Bethellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03889995101309151034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26676962217074362582018-10-13T20:33:28.237+01:002018-10-13T20:33:28.237+01:00Why do these bishops oppress us? Why do they forb...Why do these bishops oppress us? Why do they forbid what is perfectly valid and licit? Why can't they stand any deviation from the Novus Ordo as it has come to be celebrated,i.e., <i>versus populum</i>, in the vernacular, with Communion in the hand and standing? One is forced to suspect that they are mightily afraid of what is implied by the <i>usus antiquior</i> or even the proper rubrics Donna Bethellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03889995101309151034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24410850827201869012018-10-13T19:33:33.394+01:002018-10-13T19:33:33.394+01:00I can only say that this is not the first time I&#...I can only say that this is not the first time I've heard this story (that Cdl Wuerl forbade a TLM Mass in an Ordinariate parish), nor does the story surprise me. I come from Michigan.Discipulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09567040202572807961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44988852766201500912018-10-13T16:12:33.164+01:002018-10-13T16:12:33.164+01:00Incarnation is the Ordinariate Parish in Orlando, ...Incarnation is the Ordinariate Parish in Orlando, Florida. Recently the bishop of Orlando created a bit of a stir in traditionalist circles here in the Diocese by banning *ad orientem* celebration of the Ordinary Form at an FFSP Parish he inherited. The FFSP need their own Ordinariates so abuses like this are prevented. The excuse was that it engenders "confusion" even though this is FSLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17762231549016961049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-11199396060335297542018-10-13T16:01:49.257+01:002018-10-13T16:01:49.257+01:00My understanding is that the parish you refer to i...My understanding is that the parish you refer to is St Barnabas of Omaha, Nebraska. Looking on their website, they do not seem to currently offer the TLM. At Incarnation Catholic Church, a copy of the Missale Romanum is kept in the sacristy, and Fr. Holiday the Pastor has learned it, but my understanding is that mass according to 1962 Missal is forbidden in our parish for public worship for the FSLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17762231549016961049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-80647361503310979882018-10-13T15:41:30.318+01:002018-10-13T15:41:30.318+01:00I was led to believe by those in the inner circle ...I was led to believe by those in the inner circle of the Ordinariate that it was a voluntary decision of Msgr Steenson perhaps motivated by the desire that the Ordinariate not be taken over by the EF and lose its more particularly Anglican style. To a certain extent there were grounds for this concern based on precedent in the Eastern Catholic Churches which had seen numbers of disaffected Woodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08910654300435533408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-22726970595221761602018-10-13T13:23:26.952+01:002018-10-13T13:23:26.952+01:00Dear Father. The subtle indirect humor in paragrap...Dear Father. The subtle indirect humor in paragraph two is smashing.<br /><br />You are a blast to read.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.com