tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post1140769150807130848..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Reunifying the CalendarFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21030026384696708902016-08-12T14:11:46.783+01:002016-08-12T14:11:46.783+01:00Amen to that.
I suppose you could do that "o...Amen to that.<br /><br />I suppose you could do that "on the ground" somewhat with the Roman Martyrology. Re-purpose the chosen saints' propers as appropriately placed hymns. Or have them sung before liturgy. Or something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-6336285659671066122016-08-10T01:24:50.241+01:002016-08-10T01:24:50.241+01:00To the question about using the “one true ordo,” a...To the question about using the “one true ordo,” as a priest friend calls the St. Lawrencd Press ORDO: Tradition trumps Bugnini.Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-41161343740034549202016-08-09T14:02:58.726+01:002016-08-09T14:02:58.726+01:00I long for the return of the days when I could lis...I long for the return of the days when I could listen to daily Choral Evensong on BBC radio and follow the same from my St. Andrew's larger pocket Missal. Some hope!<br /><br />It is my opinion that the NOM Missal and Calendar where created with malice aforethought to completely negate the 'books' extant pre-Vatican II and isolate and disorientate the adherents. Sixupmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486627001579821658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-54767591691710774432016-08-09T13:19:32.633+01:002016-08-09T13:19:32.633+01:00Poor St. Dominic. I had no idea of his travel and...Poor St. Dominic. I had no idea of his travel and labours! <br /><br />You bring a good portion of Anglican patrimonial reason to this matter, Father. May common sense along with your principle: "If two or three agree . . ." prevail. Local custom will always have options as I understand your proposal.<br /><br />Thanks for the insights once again.peregrinustohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15669515867797692879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-611272988665605742016-08-09T02:49:45.844+01:002016-08-09T02:49:45.844+01:00Why can't they just do it the Orthodox way? Li...Why can't they just do it the Orthodox way? List all the saints commemorated on one day and pick and choose which ones come first in your locality or jurisdiction!<br />It seems simple to me since I have a menaion of all the Russian guys. Greeks have their favorites and Serbians too, etc etc<br />Jim of OlymAuriel Ragmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395216240172741261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14510956763804532132016-08-08T23:40:41.962+01:002016-08-08T23:40:41.962+01:00"I heard a voice from Heaven saying: 'Ble..."I heard a voice from Heaven saying: 'Blessed are the Dead that die in the Lord, <i>for they rest from labours</i>'".<br /><br />Belfry Bathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00514867101036143597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-7083207772778337542016-08-08T22:21:38.084+01:002016-08-08T22:21:38.084+01:00I appreciate the move on the part of Mgr. Bugnini ...I appreciate the move on the part of Mgr. Bugnini to give precedence to a quintessentially Roman saint, St. Lawrence. But, the vigils were basically all abolished in the Novus Ordo, and they are not quite the same as the old vigils where they do exist, e.g. Epiphany, since they are said to fulfill the next day's obligation, instead of earlier in the day attached to the canonical hours (Terce,Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-60816627067609765852016-08-08T21:46:16.629+01:002016-08-08T21:46:16.629+01:00Would the actual challenge of a unified (part or i...Would the actual challenge of a unified (part or in full) calendar not come with the mammoth piece of work in a breviary re-write? Particularly at Matins?Mold Junctionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720139361285979498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-632935661674081982016-08-08T17:18:31.600+01:002016-08-08T17:18:31.600+01:00I think the "Current Tridentine Ordo" ma...I think the "Current Tridentine Ordo" made a good attempt at "restoring" the EF calendar to the principles favoured by St Pius V. It seeks to de-clutter the General Calendar of somewhat obscurer saints, leaving their commemoration to local calendars (inculturation?) and favouring only the inclusion of martyrs and major saints of enduring significance to the universal Church. spraffmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02651988079265709782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-37504663043778992162016-08-08T16:01:16.371+01:002016-08-08T16:01:16.371+01:00A thoroughly spendid suggestion, Father!A thoroughly spendid suggestion, Father!Ben of the Bayouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07300583569226801488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75534295216109710102016-08-08T14:23:35.871+01:002016-08-08T14:23:35.871+01:00I like this idea.
Even better, where available an...I like this idea.<br /><br />Even better, where available and prudent, also weigh local ancient calendars, and bring back more regional flavor. And if possible, make them juridically (if that is the right word) different local calendars, at least for the OF. A little subsidiarity is good for tradition.<br /><br />In a perfect world, how would you implement it? All at once? All for one given Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-63217956506821260452016-08-08T14:07:05.387+01:002016-08-08T14:07:05.387+01:00An interesting post Father. I understand what you ...<br />An interesting post Father. I understand what you say about adjustments here and there to the calendar, as long as we did not disturb EF breviary and missal too much. I think we have suffered enough with tinkering with the liturgy over the last fifty or so years. We should wait another fifty years before any other major revisions are made. There could also be the possibility of adding jagribbinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16234275351431032867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-74618969810407536642016-08-08T12:26:31.464+01:002016-08-08T12:26:31.464+01:00Perhaps in conjunction with any such revision a re...Perhaps in conjunction with any such revision a reconsideration of the practice of commemorations might be useful, which could solve a number of calendrical problems (though not, I am sure, without the creation of one or two in itself).Pastor Montanushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032796365729658542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26997612840733168692016-08-08T12:11:40.047+01:002016-08-08T12:11:40.047+01:00Today at the Low Mass there was a relic of St John...Today at the Low Mass there was a relic of St John Vianney. The (St Joseph's) side altar where it was celebrated has a statue of the saint close to it. It might be the most superficial objection in existence, but I'd prefer not having to get a new Missal. Yet, Fr has made an eminently sensible suggestion. A stability which is supported by a measure of antiquity, well at least the Prayerfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01561992635589480308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-46454711495091301212016-08-08T11:15:54.788+01:002016-08-08T11:15:54.788+01:00A wonderful post, Father. Curiously, the Bugnini ...A wonderful post, Father. Curiously, the Bugnini "maniaques" were dead set on keeping the Vigil of St. Lawrence, with no trespassers save Saint Romanus' commemoration...though they were less concerned about the Vigil of the Epiphany, or All Saints...or about the unprecedented novelty they introduced of observing vigils (and Ember Days, for that matter) with Vespers... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-58868922423003743932016-08-08T10:53:15.587+01:002016-08-08T10:53:15.587+01:00Along with your modest proposal, father, would be ...Along with your modest proposal, father, would be making commemorations, whose abolition you rightly lament, available once again. These are allowed during the Christmas Octave and Lent in the Liturgy of the Hours, so why not all during the year? Being a layman, under no obligation to recite the office, I often employ commemorations. Clerics and religious should enjoy the privilege as well. We Steve Cavanaughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03021781365974293126noreply@blogger.com