tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post9096555736360797266..comments2024-03-28T20:30:48.788+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Rubrical specialists out there ...Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-39795242469360181682016-08-25T15:02:03.237+01:002016-08-25T15:02:03.237+01:00I can confirm what Gregory di Pippo says about the...I can confirm what Gregory di Pippo says about the O. Praem. (Norbertine) books. I had a look through the "acta" of the General Chapters from the late '50's through the '60's, and although changes were discussed in some of the sessions, I never found an official decision (votum) or decree from any of the General Chapters that would bring those discussions into force. I Capreolushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07329413913112615954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26836618260973098972016-08-21T22:04:44.609+01:002016-08-21T22:04:44.609+01:00How would anyone know what the Carthusians were do...How would anyone know what the Carthusians were doing? :-)Ed Ahlsen-Girardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15504985467612049862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-81760856860361285052016-08-21T14:13:48.301+01:002016-08-21T14:13:48.301+01:00I understand that the Dominicans were pretty happy...I understand that the Dominicans were pretty happy to drop the last Gospel in the 'sixties having taken it up only reluctantly late in the 16th Century. The reluctance demonstrated by the priest packing up the corporal and chalice, and the server sniffing out the candles during its recitation.Garethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15078788962454572755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49513895187880012852016-08-20T15:13:07.564+01:002016-08-20T15:13:07.564+01:00It should be noted that when using the O.Praem rit...It should be noted that when using the O.Praem rite, the members of said order celebrate according to mid–1950s practice, e.g. they use folded chasubles. I don’t know what the text of the liturgy looks like, unfortunately, for new or changed liiturgies. Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-51124545182361975682016-08-19T22:57:59.145+01:002016-08-19T22:57:59.145+01:00Changes were made to the Premonstratensian breviar...Changes were made to the Premonstratensian breviary and missal as a result of the reforms of St. John XXIII, if one studies the acts of General chapters and the 'Directorium Liturgicum' of 1962 (and those for the early 1960s) of the Order. The rubrical changes were eventually published in 1963, I think, in one book. However no reprint or new edition of the liturgical books, which jagribbinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16234275351431032867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-48412723038801210322016-08-19T18:55:06.426+01:002016-08-19T18:55:06.426+01:00The best resource for answering your question with...The best resource for answering your question with regard to the Dominican Missal is Fr. Augustine Thompson, O.P.'s blog "Dominican Liturgy". In particular, look at the following short post:<br /><br />http://dominican-liturgy.blogspot.com/2011/05/using-1933-and-1965-dominican-rite.html<br /><br />He provides a more extensive description of it in this post at New Liturgical Breviarium SOPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05549241283003141868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-72750012274379166182016-08-19T16:56:10.071+01:002016-08-19T16:56:10.071+01:00I have a copy of the Dominican Breviary of 1962; t...I have a copy of the Dominican Breviary of 1962; the Office was mutilated almost beyond recognition.<br /><br />I have heard, anecdotally, as it were, that the other proper Uses, (O. Carm. O Praem. O. Cist., O Carth.) were left alone, or that revisions were prepared but never promulgated.<br /><br />The Franciscans used the Roman Breviary, with their own Saints and Blesseds added to the Calendar.Gregory DiPippohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13295638279418781125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88589825551387631162016-08-19T15:56:58.883+01:002016-08-19T15:56:58.883+01:00The Abbey of Mariawald (http://www.kloster-mariawa...The Abbey of Mariawald (http://www.kloster-mariawald.de/view.php?nid=179) currently uses the 1962 liturgical books according to the Cistercian Use. I have seen their monthly Ordos, but not their actual Missals, Antiphoners, etc. Perhaps someone who can correspond in German could ask them how they accommodate 1962 with their Cistercian books. Brian Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05923575766779901002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-53883723119971830082016-08-19T15:52:07.194+01:002016-08-19T15:52:07.194+01:00Holy Week in the Dominican Rite was revised in 195...Holy Week in the Dominican Rite was revised in 1955. I cannot speak, unfortunately, to other changes (in fact, the most annoying change was the insertion of “Ecce Agnus Dei”) but I do understand it to be the case that not all changes were made or had to be made to religious rites. The Franciscans use the Missale Romanum (according to their proper calendar with proper texts), so they would have Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59513897859511279082016-08-19T15:12:32.269+01:002016-08-19T15:12:32.269+01:00I have a Carmelite Rite Holy Week Book that incorp...I have a Carmelite Rite Holy Week Book that incorporates the Bugnini stuff-50's. Yet it seems the Altar Missal & Breviary are 1938.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04658903219002976155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33563566651703038312016-08-19T12:38:30.662+01:002016-08-19T12:38:30.662+01:00I don't know about other orders, but the Domin...I don't know about other orders, but the Dominican Rite was certainly "kept up to date" in respect of the various changes in the calendar and the reclassification of feasts: indeed, the pace of change seems to have brought about an increasing convergence with the Roman Rite in this respect, as the calendar filled up with "Roman" feasts.<br /><br />On your specific Gregory Pearson OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05533454640868023628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-68182637754891180862016-08-19T12:12:31.218+01:002016-08-19T12:12:31.218+01:00I think so, for the Dominican Rite; have a look at...I think so, for the Dominican Rite; have a look at <a href="http://dominican-liturgy.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Fr Augstine Thompson's webpage </a> for exact information.Éamonnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11560394580179348894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88686358629685715132016-08-19T11:57:12.899+01:002016-08-19T11:57:12.899+01:00For the Dominican Rite, an article by Fr Augustine...For the Dominican Rite, an article by Fr Augustine Thompson, O.P. entitled <a href="http://liturgysociety.org/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=http://liturgysociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/antiphon15.pdf&settings=011100011&lang=en-US#page=185&zoom=auto" rel="nofollow">Preconciliar Reforms of the Dominican Rite Liturgy: 1950–1962</a> from Antiphon 15.2 (2011), 185-201, might be ofMatthew Hazellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13140839291971762017noreply@blogger.com