tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8586644569481758717..comments2024-03-29T14:32:13.886+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: EcumenismFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-80571248300673868002022-01-25T01:49:29.322+00:002022-01-25T01:49:29.322+00:00A recent and excellent survey presenting the norma...A recent and excellent survey presenting the normative (non-rigorist, non-Cyprianite, non-Heersian) view of sacraments outside the Church can be found here: https://arche-athanatos.com/2021/11/22/sacramental-rigourism-tradition-or-modern-phenomenon/Fr Hermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17221415805323269649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82273145196006867632022-01-24T17:22:06.245+00:002022-01-24T17:22:06.245+00:00Yes, there is a range, I guess it's always an ...Yes, there is a range, I guess it's always an issue of what one chooses to emphasize, and then lend support for or argue against that particular emphasis. But not all points of view carry the same weight, and I thought you were weighting the more marginal with the same or equal value as those closer to the mean. And by the mean, I do mean a St. Vincent of Lerin's type of distribution Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12833345391579579562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-65829414282689888742022-01-24T11:18:55.929+00:002022-01-24T11:18:55.929+00:00Dear Stephen
I don't understand how anybody w...Dear Stephen<br /><br />I don't understand how anybody who read what I wrote could possibly think that I regarded the views of of Fr Heers as "normative". On the contrary: I emphasised the different and contradictory views held among orthodox.Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1429213369729610132022-01-24T10:04:30.286+00:002022-01-24T10:04:30.286+00:00Dear Father,
When you referred to a 2014 Orthodox...Dear Father,<br /><br />When you referred to a 2014 Orthodox document on Ecumenism, I thought for a few seconds that you were describing that 89 page letter from two Orthodox bishops who rebuked Pope Francis for his many errors and urged him to convert to Othodoxy... <br /><br />https://www.lastampa.it/vatican-insider/en/2014/04/15/news/two-orthodox-bishops-accuse-the-pope-of-heresy-1.35766631Bill Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06490443795561210965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-47395871626053493012022-01-24T09:35:52.933+00:002022-01-24T09:35:52.933+00:00It is then interesting to observe how the S. Cypri...It is then interesting to observe how the S. Cyprian's dictum "Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus", often cited for apologetic purposes, has changed its meaning in the West. S. Cyprian meant it in the sense that there are no valid sacraments or rather no sacramental grace outside Church, not that nobody can be saved outside it.Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-56964954851115773172022-01-23T22:47:22.980+00:002022-01-23T22:47:22.980+00:00Not sure why, dear Fr. H., you elect Fr. Heers as ...Not sure why, dear Fr. H., you elect Fr. Heers as normative for the Orthodox reception of converts. If most things in life can be viewed under some distribution curve, I would not think most Orthodox would look at Fr. Heers' position as at the mean, but more at a margin. While dated, the content on this link speaks to the mean, I would say, with some context as a bonus. https://Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12833345391579579562noreply@blogger.com