tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8540531236976945746..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: ADVENT SUNDAY = LITURGICAL CHANGE (This needs a little Latin) (1)Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-36269918789424492792020-12-06T16:04:22.322+00:002020-12-06T16:04:22.322+00:00Yes you are quite right. I was looking at what I t...Yes you are quite right. I was looking at what I thought was a copy of the Sarum Missal but was not. Sorry about that. Robin DaviesRobinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307275862548807735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82556706231755568222020-12-05T19:37:16.610+00:002020-12-05T19:37:16.610+00:00Dear Robin
Dunno. The Sarum on my shelves has rhe ...Dear Robin<br />Dunno. The Sarum on my shelves has rhe Mt 21 Gospel on Advent I; and Liturgy and Worship lists this Goospel for Advent I Murbach as well as for Sarum and York.Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-11171461907242622892020-12-04T23:19:09.225+00:002020-12-04T23:19:09.225+00:00On the light hearted approach -
Out late Archbisho...On the light hearted approach -<br />Out late Archbishop was often referred by clergy as 'plus Michael', by way of contrast with his predecessor 'Cyril by the grace of God'E sapelionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09886268559214926797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-58821323806143769372020-12-04T20:52:32.307+00:002020-12-04T20:52:32.307+00:00I have made a couple of slight adjustments in the ...I have made a couple of slight adjustments in the hope that nobody will feel irritated.<br /><br />I think some criticism fails to discern a light-hearted style in this post.Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-45183848859402411862020-12-04T15:47:02.431+00:002020-12-04T15:47:02.431+00:00This is not directly related to the above but is a...This is not directly related to the above but is a request for information about the gospel for Advent Sunday. The 1662 Book of Common Prayer has Matt.21-the cleansing of the temple-which my commentaries tell me is the same as the (pre-Reformation) Sarum Missla. But my copy of this has Luke 21-part of the prophecy of the destruction of the temple-which pre-Vatican II also had. Were the Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307275862548807735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-36702851911707445332020-12-02T19:05:54.448+00:002020-12-02T19:05:54.448+00:00Origen de Oratione 33.1 recommends that prayer sho...Origen <i>de Oratione </i>33.1 recommends that prayer should end with the invocation of the Trinity, and he's long before the Arians. Certainly the earliest Roman <i>orationes</i> are 3rd century, so possibly contemporary with this, but as to when the practice started I do not know.Adrian Fursehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03093728256299390146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-39292285170727329062020-11-30T23:22:01.540+00:002020-11-30T23:22:01.540+00:00Archbishop George Stack is of impeccable Irish anc...Archbishop George Stack is of impeccable Irish ancestry, the land of his birth in the City of Cork.motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-69953625645845535672020-11-29T18:56:03.150+00:002020-11-29T18:56:03.150+00:00In the Spanish version, the divinity of the Son is...In the Spanish version, the divinity of the Son is emphazised with an implicit relative clause: Through Jesus Christ our Lord, who (...) and [who] is God ("Por nuestro Señor Jesucristo, que vive y reina contigo en la unidad del Espíritu Santo y es Dios por los siglos de los siglos")ibericushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995034774616137717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-48394078891822126272020-11-29T17:01:54.385+00:002020-11-29T17:01:54.385+00:00It is interesting that other languages have not in...It is interesting that other languages have not included 'one'; I wonder if this is partly because many languages (or at least many European languages) use identical or similar words for 'one' and the indefinite article. That certainly would run the risk of making it sound as though God were one god among many. By contrast, there is no such problem in English. I think the Autenriethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12531178152344112998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16639303122669647442020-11-29T03:30:17.774+00:002020-11-29T03:30:17.774+00:00I have now seen an excerpt of the Bishops' let...I have now seen an excerpt of the Bishops' letter. It includes the statement "'Deus' here refers to the earlier mention of 'the Son". Obviously, this differs from my view that "Deus" refers to all three Persons of the Trinity. <br />Jhayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07064136312272621107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-53840582341206669722020-11-28T21:27:09.953+00:002020-11-28T21:27:09.953+00:00This stems from a letter from Cdl Sarah of CDWDS.
...This stems from a letter from Cdl Sarah of CDWDS.<br />The inclusion of the word ‘one’ before ‘God’, Cardinal Sarah wrote,<br /> "can serve to undermine the statement of the Son’s unique identity within the Trinity which the Latin formulas so strongly convey and, on the other hand, it can also be interpreted as saying that Jesus Christ is “one God”. Either or both of these interpretationsE sapelionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09886268559214926797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-34677505051494058982020-11-28T20:24:51.734+00:002020-11-28T20:24:51.734+00:00I thought the English "one God" was a sh...I thought the English "one God" was a shortened version of "who are (plural) one God" since the statement is not about Jesus alone but is addressed to the Father ("Filium tuum", te[cum]), and mentions Jesus and the Holy Spirit who (all three Persons) are one God<br /><br />In other words, it is an affirmation of the TrinityJhayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07064136312272621107noreply@blogger.com