tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post8167990110318583073..comments2024-03-28T23:52:48.762+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: "Organic development"Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67688029554484866292009-08-25T10:58:54.573+01:002009-08-25T10:58:54.573+01:00Rubricarius
In The Spirit of the Liturgy, Pope Be...Rubricarius<br /><br />In The Spirit of the Liturgy, Pope Benedict writes:<br /><br />"The life of the liturgy does not come from what dawns upon the minds of individuals and planning groups. On the contrary, it is God's descent upon our world, the source of real liberation". <br /><br />It seems to me that many of the problems we have been discussing stem from that fact that peopleRichard Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07267252492721777370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-8340432779355081062009-08-24T15:11:22.321+01:002009-08-24T15:11:22.321+01:00Richard,
Thanks. I do agree with most of what yo...Richard,<br /><br />Thanks. I do agree with most of what you write particularly the need to avoid the rash imposition of anything.<br /><br />The problem with 1962 is simply that it is far too late and the character of the Roman liturgy has been so watered down by that point. The Missal generally retained its character up until the early 1950s but the Breviary had been bu**ered up back in Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-18442334409506174922009-08-24T09:25:26.027+01:002009-08-24T09:25:26.027+01:00Rubricarius
Thank you for that clarification. I a...Rubricarius<br /><br />Thank you for that clarification. I apologise if I misunderstood your point de depart, its just that your comment about organic development ending with the Tridentine books led me astray.<br /><br />The more I learn about the 1962 reforms, the more I tend to agree that they were hasty and unnecessary. The NO has more coherence, arguably. <br /><br />But my main point is Richard Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07267252492721777370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-91551023008704508832009-08-23T14:22:59.096+01:002009-08-23T14:22:59.096+01:00Richard,
I don not think what should happen next ...Richard,<br /><br />I don not think what should happen next and what has been or has not been organic development in the past are the same question.<br /><br />I have never suggested that the <i>Novus Ordo</i> should be abolished as you appear to suggest. Neither would I claim an 'outrage' was committed in the 1960s. However I would argue one was committed in 1911 and another in the Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-74777540060614929542009-08-20T11:02:48.738+01:002009-08-20T11:02:48.738+01:00Rubricarius
You may, or may not, be correct in yo...Rubricarius<br /><br />You may, or may not, be correct in your view that the organic development of the Roman liturgy ended in the early 17th century. But I would be more inclined to accept your analysis if you could also say what, in your view, should happen next. Are you actually suggesting that the Novus Ordo should be abolished and that we should return to the liturgical books as they were inRichard Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07267252492721777370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24312769162295781782009-08-19T17:14:02.663+01:002009-08-19T17:14:02.663+01:00Bang goes the 1568 Breviary then!
I think it is d...Bang goes the 1568 Breviary then!<br /><br />I think it is difficult to argue that there was anything 'organic' about changes which were produced by commissions of experts. There may be 'restorations' but I don't think they can be organic.<br /><br />The development of (reasonably) cheap printing coincided with Trent's decision to hand over the regulation of liturigcal Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.com