tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post7760763964507379378..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: ASPERGESFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-78753392537360535002008-09-22T20:48:00.000+01:002008-09-22T20:48:00.000+01:00My dear Gengulphus,I can only congratulate you on ...My dear Gengulphus,I can only congratulate you on having such a talented congregation. I have heard too many congregations drone and warble their way through this stuff in a way that makes me long for a simple said service. And that,like it or not, is the way it is in most Englsh parishes. This started off as a discussion about how Fr H's congregation at St. Thomas might sing the Asperges: with Dexter Braceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12626133425182837599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-5763393477218015152008-09-22T20:23:00.000+01:002008-09-22T20:23:00.000+01:00johnfpretty straightforward… Credo 3, various arra...johnf<BR/><I>pretty straightforward… Credo 3, various arrangements of the Kyrie, Sanctus, Agnus Dei, Asperges and Vidi aquam, Salve Regina…</I><BR/><BR/>Hurrah! Absolutely! To say it can't be done is mere hand-wringy defeatism.<BR/><BR/>On Sunday we (a collection of spindly old ladies, eager young people far too young to have known the good old days, and many, many children, plus a tiny <I>Gengulphushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13700411155477119784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21190501890313370592008-09-22T14:18:00.000+01:002008-09-22T14:18:00.000+01:00William - I will concede that the Gradual of the M...William - I will concede that the Gradual of the Mass is generally complex and difficult to sing.<BR/><BR/>But the stuff we learned at primary school aged 10 or 11 is pretty straightforward; Credo 3, various arrangements of the Kyrie, Sanctus, Agnus Dei, Asperges and Vidi aquam, Salve Regina; the Mass for the Dead, including Dies Irae. <BR/>They are all 'tuneful' enabling people to anticipate thejohnfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16233791349837340770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19681609897866646132008-09-21T14:24:00.000+01:002008-09-21T14:24:00.000+01:00Sorry johnf, but not everone can sing plainchant. ...Sorry johnf, but not everone can sing plainchant. I agree it's beautiful, but only if it's sung by people who know what they're doing. Otherwise, it can be toe-curlingly awful!Dexter Braceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12626133425182837599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-2388739342526735942008-09-20T20:30:00.000+01:002008-09-20T20:30:00.000+01:00I fully support rev'd up's suggestion.Go for the p...I fully support rev'd up's suggestion.<BR/><BR/>Go for the plain chant. anyone can sing plain chant...<BR/><BR/>...and it is beautiful.<BR/><BR/>It beats hands down the stuff I hear every Sunday.johnfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16233791349837340770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1483244587844036772008-09-20T09:12:00.000+01:002008-09-20T09:12:00.000+01:00I would endorse 'rev'd up's suggestion and use the...I would endorse 'rev'd up's suggestion and use the plainsong setting. I understand the Tone 4 setting given in the Graduale was that used in Holy Sarum.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-81356966333657465432008-09-20T01:33:00.000+01:002008-09-20T01:33:00.000+01:00As for VIDI AQUAM, this a quite a good metrical se...As for VIDI AQUAM, this a quite a good metrical setting, though it might just be a bit complex:'<BR/><BR/>http://www.canticanova.com/catalog/products/e_isaw.htm<BR/><BR/>+David ChislettDavid Chisletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14270108117063682909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-8666776684088312122008-09-20T01:13:00.000+01:002008-09-20T01:13:00.000+01:00Dear Father,I had the same problem over twenty-fiv...Dear Father,<BR/><BR/>I had the same problem over twenty-five years ago in an Aussie "bush parish" and slightly adapted the rendering of the Scottish Psalter.<BR/><BR/>Of course, it's better to teach a few people to sing the plainsong, but this sufficed for a while:<BR/><BR/>O Lord, with hyssop sprinkle me,<BR/>And I shall be made clean;<BR/>Yea, wash thou me, and then I shall<BR/>Be whiter than David Chisletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14270108117063682909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70237592266509400812008-09-19T18:37:00.000+01:002008-09-19T18:37:00.000+01:00…I wonder if anybody knows a metrical version of i...<I>…I wonder if anybody knows a metrical version of it?</I><BR/><BR/>Perhaps Isaac Watts's lugubrious metrical version will hasten you, Father, towards the plainsong/Latin option… Though it has at least one entertaining line.<BR/><BR/>Behold I fall before thy face:<BR/>My only refuge is thy grace:<BR/>No outward forms can make me clean;<BR/>The leprosy lies deep within.<BR/><BR/>No bleeding Gengulphushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13700411155477119784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-15251264754327088662008-09-19T14:18:00.000+01:002008-09-19T14:18:00.000+01:00I say go for the traditional plainchant. It's a c...I say go for the traditional plainchant. It's a catchy enough tune and there are plenty of English adaptations. Same goes for the 'Vidi aquam' during Eastertide.<BR/><BR/>If you're comfortable leading your congregation in the singing, it works well to first sing the antiphon(Asperges me) and verse(Miserere mei Deus), then asperge the congregation in silence; return to the foot of the altar and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-58771776916536832562008-09-19T12:52:00.000+01:002008-09-19T12:52:00.000+01:00Father, there are certainly metrical versions but ...Father, there are certainly metrical versions but the only one that springs to mind at the moment is "Water of life, cleanse and refresh us" from the Celebration Hymnal. Your reaction might be that it's "not very S. Thomas'" but they use at it S. Andrew's, Clifton Rd., which is a very similar sort of place.Jacob Hickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02435082163759225318noreply@blogger.com