tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post7492647639591792298..comments2024-03-29T09:39:50.604+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Women Bishops: boredom part (2)Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-47901362666250240312018-04-24T06:44:21.390+01:002018-04-24T06:44:21.390+01:00I look forward to the day when people will look ba...I look forward to the day when people will look back nostalgically at articles such as this and wonder what all the fuss was about. As Sr. Joan Chittister once said, "Up until now, the church has been thinking with only half it's brain. And it shows."Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17543945205897802743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29931922249505445162018-04-24T06:44:06.354+01:002018-04-24T06:44:06.354+01:00I look forward to the day when people will look ba...I look forward to the day when people will look back nostalgically at articles such as this and wonder what all the fuss was about. As Sr. Joan Chittister once said, "Up until now, the church has been thinking with only half it's brain. And it shows."Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17543945205897802743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-91364299489683223122018-04-24T06:43:14.297+01:002018-04-24T06:43:14.297+01:00I look forward to the day when people will look ba...I look forward to the day when people will look back nostalgically at articles such as this and wonder what all the fuss was about. As Sr. Joan Chittister once said, "Up until now, the church has been thinking with only half it's brain. And it shows."Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17543945205897802743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-41231931436023561142018-04-23T18:06:28.249+01:002018-04-23T18:06:28.249+01:00Of course discussions on this subject always bring...Of course discussions on this subject always bring up the prescient words of Samuel Johnson on the subject of women preaching, "It is like a dog walking on its hinder legs. It is not done well but you are surprised that it is done at all."pueblosw@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04955678254129002919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12855032112830463122018-04-18T15:37:36.719+01:002018-04-18T15:37:36.719+01:00Nice point on the Orthodox view. Unfortunately we...Nice point on the Orthodox view. Unfortunately we have a small faction trying to argue for women "deacons" and want them to be just like deacons (except for the inherent maleness) rather than something else we would call deaconesses. Their agenda, of course, goes much further. Deacon Nicholashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02808015295973601427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16687234994929460922018-04-12T17:36:19.211+01:002018-04-12T17:36:19.211+01:00Banshee, what you set-out is the natural progressi...Banshee, what you set-out is the natural progression and outcome of the proposal of my diocesan bishop's answer to diminishing congregations and clergy. He has allowed to establish a formal Ordinariate parish [probably at my instigation, inter alia, by quoting the good Fr. Hunwicke], but will not entertain Traditional Orders and heaven forbid selling a church to SSPX. On the other hand he Sixupmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486627001579821658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44801554706963148812018-04-12T06:55:04.208+01:002018-04-12T06:55:04.208+01:00My observation is that the attitude towards female...My observation is that the attitude towards female ordination mirrors birth control, i e not many Western Catholics follow the Magisterium? What do you think, Father?El Codohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01057779410347215062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82311675089975711222018-04-11T23:23:54.643+01:002018-04-11T23:23:54.643+01:00It's only our "limited conceptual resourc...It's only our "limited conceptual resources" (mentioned in 'Gaudete et Exsultate') that keep us clinging rigidly to our rules and regulations and concepts. You know, like the existence of hell.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01504517769804159508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-58443373491155417642018-04-11T19:52:45.130+01:002018-04-11T19:52:45.130+01:00The vast majority of nominal Catholics in these Un...The vast majority of nominal Catholics in these United States would overwhelmingly support women priests because Pauline Rite.<br /><br />Theere is little in the Pauline Rite, as actualised in The LIl' Licit Liturgy, that would cause an adult US Catholic to think - <i> Nope, a woman can't do what he is doing</i> because in these United Staes a woman can not only do everything a man can Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-76611357824835383762018-04-11T18:47:24.213+01:002018-04-11T18:47:24.213+01:00Um.... Actually, in most American parishes, Father...Um.... Actually, in most American parishes, Father will get rolled over by the lay leadership, if he doesn't get out.<br /><br />1. The Parish Secretary. A fearsome force that outlives many pastors. Almost always a woman.<br /><br />2. The Parish Council and its committees. Actually, most of the time, the work is done in the committees or organizations under the Parish Council, and the ParishBansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-39919514410665623712018-04-11T17:51:39.312+01:002018-04-11T17:51:39.312+01:00Deacons, too, are in Holy Orders, as were the port...Deacons, too, are in Holy Orders, as were the porters, exorcists, acolytes, and subdeacons (and where they still exist, still are.) This was very carefully stated at Trent. <br /><br />In recent times, the important one was subdeacon.<br /><br />On the back of my baptismal certificate there is a place for the parish clerk to fill in if I ever became a subdeacon. For my younger brother, that spaceArthur Gallagherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13729734180689395101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19389638286967576742018-04-11T12:24:36.624+01:002018-04-11T12:24:36.624+01:00Father, your point 2 is spot on. It's very u...Father, your point 2 is spot on. It's very unusual in my experience to find people who argue for women to be ordained and at the same time express an orthodox Catholic view of what the priesthood (in relation to the sacrificial nature of the Mass) means.<br /><br />There is widespread confusion between priesthood, ministry and leadership - three different things. It doesn't help that daldredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16536691352877083778noreply@blogger.com