tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post7386478725078753760..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Shared Sacramental Communion with the Byzantine ChurchesFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-50726553208611916252019-06-04T15:43:16.034+01:002019-06-04T15:43:16.034+01:00Alana/coradcorloquitur,
That has pretty much been...Alana/coradcorloquitur,<br /><br />That has pretty much been a "thing" in the East for most of their existence, especially as Orthodox! Ethnocentrism and philetism has been a common occurrence for them.<br /><br />It would also seem to be the case that some people here (and some of the books mentioned) are trying to use an unusual situation in order to make it a general one. The fact latinmass1983https://www.blogger.com/profile/18109855026898340656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-20166907534342941312019-05-29T19:16:56.780+01:002019-05-29T19:16:56.780+01:00Although I am not the same Dale as the one who pos...Although I am not the same Dale as the one who posted above, I can only agree with what he has stated. Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232162218034432274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-17657194537091322162018-03-11T23:54:35.895+00:002018-03-11T23:54:35.895+00:00why this cooperation ended - from the Greek Orthod...why this cooperation ended - from the Greek Orthodox side, a valuable secondary source on the history is Ware's book on the 18th century Greek theologian, Eustratios Argenti. I attach a reference to this book. To summarize: feeling threatened by Roman Catholicism, the Patriarch Cyril V (c.1750) legislated non-recognition of Roman baptism in that era. This was indeed a theological development AllEarthsVanitieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12699550141602303205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-85389350158228606402018-03-02T21:40:53.823+00:002018-03-02T21:40:53.823+00:00Alana, you comment is simply amazing to me, as I w...Alana, you comment is simply amazing to me, as I was about to post one exactly like yours a couple of days ago but decided to let it go lest I appear too confrontational. But you hit the nail exactly on the head: To say the Armenians are very sensible in putting ethnicity above the integrity of the Faith (required for a shared communion) is not only not sensible at all but astounding from a coradcorloquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125381369456761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-85990691878131653732018-03-01T23:22:40.199+00:002018-03-01T23:22:40.199+00:00So ethnicity and culture are above concerns of com...So ethnicity and culture are above concerns of communion. Yikes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-31617656609363207262018-02-27T09:47:20.133+00:002018-02-27T09:47:20.133+00:00But recieve Communion isn't just to receive Je...But recieve Communion isn't just to receive Jesus. It is also to profess Communion with those from whom Communion is received. That's one of the reasons why participating in Eucharist (participatio altaris) is called Communion.<br />So i'd disagree with Rubricarius and say that such Eucharistic theology which disregards ecclesiology is at best incomplete.Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-89964634826299099702018-02-27T04:42:26.784+00:002018-02-27T04:42:26.784+00:00Purgatory? The Immaculate Conception? The Petrine ...Purgatory? The Immaculate Conception? The Petrine office? The validity of all post-Schism councils? The traditional teaching on divorce and re-marriage? Are these not now important for maintaining a truly shared Faith as essential requirement for intercommunion? Are they dispensible now and a [superficial] unity then, as the Modernists like to affirm contra Aquinas, more important than truth? coradcorloquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125381369456761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19468060071852286572018-02-27T02:27:13.720+00:002018-02-27T02:27:13.720+00:00The Armenians seem very sensible about this. I gr...The Armenians seem very sensible about this. I grew up in a community which hosted one of the largest Armenian populations in the US. There was one church, Armenian Apostolic, and all but a few thoroughly Romanized souls attended it. Some years later, a new Armenian Catholic church was built, practically across the parking lot from the local Roman Rite parish. Surprisingly enough, a ready The Archlaichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03060424378483418961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14093389594001804642018-02-26T19:04:21.148+00:002018-02-26T19:04:21.148+00:00Rubricarius, some years ago I visited a Coptic Ort...Rubricarius, some years ago I visited a Coptic Orthodox church out of a desire to experience their liturgy. The priest there, even though he knew I was Catholic, still inquired if I would like to receive communion.Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82641278032422286792018-02-26T18:09:37.249+00:002018-02-26T18:09:37.249+00:00Since the 17th century the faith, liturgical pract...Since the 17th century the faith, liturgical practice, and beliefs of the Roman Catholic church has changed so drastically, whilst that of the Byzantine Orthodox has not, that a return to this type of limited inter-communion is now impossible. One cannot imagine a shared altar, much less a church with a Latin and Orthodox altar as a real possibility today. The thought of a Byzantine liturgy Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232162218034432274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-78230403196289133852018-02-25T23:12:22.676+00:002018-02-25T23:12:22.676+00:00"Disparity of cult", in canon law relati..."Disparity of cult", in canon law relating to marriage, refers to one party not being baptized. But perhaps you jest.Fr PJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597780307057121375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88620416620610021952018-02-25T21:11:17.077+00:002018-02-25T21:11:17.077+00:00Rubricarius gives an interesting story. Communicat...Rubricarius gives an interesting story. Communicatio in sacris is also fairly common in the mixed marriage situations of the Holy Land. I also have seen incense offered by Orthodox priests in videos posted online of Corpus Domini processions in Malta and other locales. Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-56014570704073523752018-02-25T17:46:43.781+00:002018-02-25T17:46:43.781+00:00I well recall, thirty-odd years ago now, being ask...I well recall, thirty-odd years ago now, being asked by the supply priest at the Greek Cathedral in Shepherd's Bush to serve a weekday liturgy. 'We're not Orthodox said my friend (now actually a Greek deacon) in response.' 'I asked if you could serve' replied the priest. At Communion the priest asked 'Are you receiving?' Again, our response was 'We're Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-86368875538523338992016-02-16T22:12:48.789+00:002016-02-16T22:12:48.789+00:00When it comes to Ecumenism, ABS supposes it would ...When it comes to Ecumenism, ABS supposes it would be contentious (not humorous) to refer to the orthodox participating in a dialogue with Catholics as representing a disparity of cult.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-84907984274849063742015-10-18T11:44:09.023+01:002015-10-18T11:44:09.023+01:00"We might ask why this cooperation ended"..."We might ask why this cooperation ended"<br /><br />Answer:<br /><br />"Any idea that the Uniate Churches were bridges to a dissident East -- whose reunion remained a prime duty and goal of Catholics -- was demolished in 1729, when the Propaganda Congregation forbade 'in terms of the utmost strictness' intercommunion (communicatio in sacris) between Catholics and Orthodox,Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00109605762983129889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12015084575385593432015-10-15T16:10:26.791+01:002015-10-15T16:10:26.791+01:00"We might ask why this cooperation ended"..."We might ask why this cooperation ended" Indeed. Has Fr. Grigoriou or Abp. Vuccino given answer to this question, or at least an attempt. And when did this happen? Sometimes the Turkish government is blamed. But it seems that this kind of ecumenism was going on under the Turkish rule.Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82740728736851669432015-10-14T20:30:14.863+01:002015-10-14T20:30:14.863+01:00For those wanting photographic evidence of churche...For those wanting photographic evidence of churches, esp. in the Gk. islands, having both Latin and Byzantine altars under the same roof, see the edited collection "Innovation in the Orthodox Christian Tradition?: The Question of Change in Greek Orthodox Thought and Practice" edited by T.S. Willert et al. and published by Ashgate in 2012.Dr. Adam DeVillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06505315831493271933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71137414148805252242015-10-14T18:15:15.487+01:002015-10-14T18:15:15.487+01:00Father, do you know where an electronic copy of th...Father, do you know where an electronic copy of that book can be procured?Steve T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02887043259071906836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-31982704609020539592015-10-14T14:11:46.439+01:002015-10-14T14:11:46.439+01:00Fascinating and almost thrilling stuff!Fascinating and almost thrilling stuff!TomGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13820093390599273051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-15991809023683923232015-10-14T13:57:40.161+01:002015-10-14T13:57:40.161+01:00
I remember with delight my one meeting with Fr. B...<br />I remember with delight my one meeting with Fr. Broomfield, when I was living in England, in the company of my old undergraduate friend, Fr. Christopher Basden.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16045249265030564192015-10-14T12:31:31.215+01:002015-10-14T12:31:31.215+01:00Dr Broomfieid who taught history at Wonersh in my ...Dr Broomfieid who taught history at Wonersh in my day (pre 1983) set an examination question, "The Great Schism came about in 1870: discuss".Fr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.com