tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post7350775109478034530..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: EPISCOPAL CONSECRATION: a Tale of Two MeddlersFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-79928459916883557982018-09-01T21:30:11.934+01:002018-09-01T21:30:11.934+01:00If the Catholic Church, officially and solemnly, i...If the Catholic Church, officially and solemnly, in effect declares "The words XYZ shall henceforth be deemed univocally to denote the Episcopate", then ... in all documents and rites of the Church from that point onwards ... that is what the words do mean.<br /><br />It would in any case be very difficult to argue that the Prayer concerned is not a valid Form for conveying the Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-7891416143996964952018-09-01T17:17:22.173+01:002018-09-01T17:17:22.173+01:00Dear Father,
did you reply to ALD Bass? Since I&#...Dear Father,<br /><br />did you reply to ALD Bass? Since I've had some troublesome discussions on exactly that topic (validity of the present rites of ordination of bishops) I'd also like to know. If they are not valid we don't have to worry about PF. There is no church anymore to worry about...Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09492895082245888294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-73615514800118931032018-08-31T12:47:39.094+01:002018-08-31T12:47:39.094+01:00I've asked some knowledgeable clerics well ver...I've asked some knowledgeable clerics well versed in church history and law a question and no one can answer me.<br />Did or do the Mozarabic and Ambrosian Rites use the pre-July 1968 Roman Rite of Holy Orders or do they use their own Holy Orders unique to specific Liturgical Rites and Traditions?Catholic Statehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09107971443683193051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-39931186518555952582018-08-30T20:34:55.896+01:002018-08-30T20:34:55.896+01:00Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani did approve the Rite of...Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani did approve the Rite of Consecration with very few amendments, which gratified its author. Yet any handiwork of Mgsr Bugnini has to be suspect. His revised or 'restored' Holy Week was a riot of junk scholarship put to the service of a sinister agenda.Prayerfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01561992635589480308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59121830384593721982018-08-30T20:12:19.560+01:002018-08-30T20:12:19.560+01:00If you follow the Scholastic view of consecration ...If you follow the Scholastic view of consecration not being ordination at all, but rather being brought into the full exercise of Orders which had been received in ordination to the priesthood, the idea of validity doesn't really enter into it for the rite as regards bishops.Thomas Lackeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385403936181127425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62358730897744706872018-08-29T21:26:24.132+01:002018-08-29T21:26:24.132+01:00Oh, Father. Reading your post I thought it is an a...Oh, Father. Reading your post I thought it is an answer to my earlier comment where I wrote that the main problem of the 1968 "form" is that its use in some Eastern rites is not specific to episcopal consecration. And now you have shown (by the Mosarabic example) that the Pius' XII form is not specific either. So I am now defeated, and my only critique against the 1968 changes Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-25637985443638036662018-08-29T20:53:57.723+01:002018-08-29T20:53:57.723+01:00Fr Hunwicke,
Are you implying that the Novus Ordo...Fr Hunwicke,<br /><br />Are you implying that the Novus Ordo ritual for consecrating bishops is defective or even invalid? What does that mean for your own ordination? I would sincerely like to know.Leo Basshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11914839865035044534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-25780765382424145172018-08-29T17:54:08.193+01:002018-08-29T17:54:08.193+01:00Presumably Archbishop Lefebvre did not us the Bugn...Presumably Archbishop Lefebvre did not us the Bugnini form in 1988. Are there any bishops left outside the FSSPX?Donna Bethellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03889995101309151034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-749148479006498482018-08-29T15:50:51.958+01:002018-08-29T15:50:51.958+01:00When you say, Father, "If you don't know ...When you say, Father, "If you don't know the form by which, in the early Roman Sacramentaries, Baptism was conferred, find out. You will get quite a surprise"; are you referring to the practice of a thrice-repeated process of "question-answer-dip"?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13743631355527268251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-86826742814632885682018-08-29T14:48:42.353+01:002018-08-29T14:48:42.353+01:00Dear Father. You are a delight to read and you hav...Dear Father. You are a delight to read and you have a wicked sense of humor.<br /><br />The Bugman's work to rid the Roman Rite and The Sacraments of the putative pests of Tradition was a malign and mendacious atrocity but it does seem to fit right in with the unofficial motto of the revolutionaries <b> Everything is different, Nothing has changed</b><br /><br />O, and it ought not be Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.com