tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post73300662062262357..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Vatican II Reforms: Hymns REVISED VERSION OF POSTFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-61632086141997572792010-08-31T10:19:22.069+01:002010-08-31T10:19:22.069+01:00That is indeed true, Albertus, although the concep...That is indeed true, Albertus, although the concept of 'pollution' can be spiritualised by nuns and others to whom the literal sense does not apply (rather like the method of traditional Biblical exegesis). For St John Cassian these nocturnal pollutions were natural in our present state and not sinful unless accompanied by phantasms provoked by impure thoughts indulged during the day. Denyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357982517008933404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16493844416118479282010-08-31T10:17:10.246+01:002010-08-31T10:17:10.246+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Denyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357982517008933404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-90502615259933886772010-08-29T23:20:23.789+01:002010-08-29T23:20:23.789+01:00The problem with the second stanza of Te Lucis ant...The problem with the second stanza of Te Lucis ante terminum is that the Latin s much more specific than ''no pollution we may know.'' ''Procul recedant somnia,<br />Et noctium phantasmata; Hostemque nostrum comprime, Ne polluantur corpora'' literally means: may dreams and phantasms of the nights go away; and put down our enemy, so that our bodies would not polluteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24821841290014618862010-08-29T12:32:27.380+01:002010-08-29T12:32:27.380+01:00I have always taken the post-Conciliar changes to ...I have always taken the post-Conciliar changes to Te lucis as an example of prudishness in the Roman Church under Paul VI- akin to changing Ubi caritas et amor to Ubi caritas est vera. Does the latter have any precedent in tradition?Denyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357982517008933404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-6455381449738474112010-08-28T22:26:02.605+01:002010-08-28T22:26:02.605+01:00"Tread under foot our ghostly foe/ that no po..."Tread under foot our ghostly foe/ that no pollution we may know."<br />I have often heard these words sung at Compline by elderly and young ladies, none of whom exhibited any embarassment. I think they must have taken the words in a spiritual rather than biological sense, as should Albertus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-91723400213533366112010-08-27T17:52:48.537+01:002010-08-27T17:52:48.537+01:00I have a question for either F. Hunwicke or Rubric...I have a question for either F. Hunwicke or Rubricarius or anyone else who might know: Regarding the hymn for Completorium ''Te lucis ante terminium''. This hymn, as were nearly all the others, was rewritten ''by'' Urbanus VIII; only its second stanza with the words 'ne polluantur corpora' was left intact. I see that the Novus Ordo breviary 'Liturgia Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-34540708403934041232010-08-27T14:15:38.278+01:002010-08-27T14:15:38.278+01:00Commentary, mostly negative, on the revision by Co...Commentary, mostly negative, on the revision by Consilium of the hymns which it was supposed to restore, can be found in many authors. The latest critique i have just read in the excellent book by Laszlo Dobszay ''The restoration and organic development of the roman rite'', pages 118-121. <br />''Sacrosanctum Concilium made provision for the restitution of the old texts. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-32774618610479609152010-08-27T12:59:41.567+01:002010-08-27T12:59:41.567+01:00But have not some of the Lentini hymns been critic...But have not some of the Lentini hymns been criticised for not being a return <i>per se</i> to the pre-Urban VIII originals, but have had some 'work' carried out on them?Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.com