tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post7270678930615359019..comments2024-03-18T20:38:40.751+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: How to depose a Pope: I have a go at disentangling the teaching of the Archbishopric of WestminsterFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-81879312538989000022022-11-19T05:30:31.506+00:002022-11-19T05:30:31.506+00:00So now we have a choice of two candidates for the ...So now we have a choice of two candidates for the title of Charles III, and likewise two candidates for the title of John XXIII. For whom do you vote? For my (and maybe your (defacto) ) monarch Charles W, or for the (possibly) Wrong but (undeniably) Wromantic Charles S, fleeing through the Western Isles? For the avuncular Angelo, or for Baldassare the Pirate? (Or is the piracy just enemy Grant Milburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381331872077276383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44158004289332105392022-11-18T17:16:00.079+00:002022-11-18T17:16:00.079+00:00I reckon that the pallium was sent by the holy Ben...I reckon that the pallium was sent by the holy Benedictine nuns at Santa Cecilia in Trastevere. <br /><br />Just imagine, two or three Popes of the Roman Church all creating archbishops all over the place, all those orders for pallia coming in. The nuns would be tripping over the things as they piled up before posting them off. Lady Abbess must have put her down down.<br /><br />However, Fr Edwardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10747558367805466619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-64233573692420607362022-11-18T15:21:31.105+00:002022-11-18T15:21:31.105+00:00I am disappointed that you did not stray into the ...I am disappointed that you did not stray into the Archpriest Controversy.<br /><br />armyartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00621738173563972139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-39416004430673874192022-11-18T14:38:54.039+00:002022-11-18T14:38:54.039+00:00>>Of course, dogmatic purists will reassure ...>>Of course, dogmatic purists will reassure us that really there can only be one pope. One of those three prelates was the real pope; the other two were antipopes. Obviously, people who adhered to one of the two antipopes, believing him to be the true pope, were in completely good faith and most earnestly desired to be in communion with the Successor of S Peter. An argument which attempted Moritz Gruberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06313974490621703071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1378122230467846382022-11-18T13:47:30.248+00:002022-11-18T13:47:30.248+00:00I am a bit tickled by an antipope upgrading St And...I am a bit tickled by an antipope upgrading St Andrews to a University. At one time the Divinity College was largely engaged in preparing folk for presbyterian ministry. It is much less so now, I did a masters divinity degree there and that particular crop included every type of Christian under the sun ranging from several catholics including a Priest and through a Matthewite Greek Orthodox Bfbpuzzledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242989001793406433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-52048840170816909032022-11-18T13:24:29.786+00:002022-11-18T13:24:29.786+00:00Dear Father. For your readers who think that Franc...Dear Father. For your readers who think that Francis is not Pope, we have the fact that the ex pope names Francis, and only Francis in the Canon<br /><br />https://tinyurl.com/bdzyjhffMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33392870233942067542017-07-08T01:38:02.696+01:002017-07-08T01:38:02.696+01:00Benedict XIII was the anti pope who received St Co...Benedict XIII was the anti pope who received St Colette and approved her reform of the Poor Clares. She had a great esteem for him. Rather encouraging to think that the saints could be wrong about the real pope.Sr. Marianne Lorraine Trouvehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17195314713288191226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-47676293939585993092017-07-07T21:13:11.326+01:002017-07-07T21:13:11.326+01:00Absolutely fascinating post and comments. Much up...Absolutely fascinating post and comments. Much uponwhich to mull.<br /><br />As for the brass or bronze...brass is copper alloyed with zinc, bronze is copper with tin. The latter usually but not always {which is what usually means, I guess} is of a more brownish orange to the yellower brass.<br /><br />I believe the place is Pensicola. The other I think is an act of back room public house Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59729220493835427782017-07-07T21:12:50.323+01:002017-07-07T21:12:50.323+01:00Absolutely fascinating post and comments. Much up...Absolutely fascinating post and comments. Much uponwhich to mull.<br /><br />As for the brass or bronze...brass is copper alloyed with zinc, bronze is copper with tin. The latter usually but not always {which is what usually means, I guess} is of a more brownish orange to the yellower brass.<br /><br />I believe the place is Pensicola. The other I think is an act of back room public house Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26503479580948841612017-07-07T08:06:03.181+01:002017-07-07T08:06:03.181+01:00Fr Hunwicke,
Another piece is St. Cyprian's ...Fr Hunwicke, <br /><br />Another piece is St. Cyprian's referring to the Church of Rome as the "cathedri Petri, the Principal Church, where sacerdotal unity takes its origin" (Ep 54). Notice that the part which says "where...unity takes its origin" is a further specification from "Principal Church", which is doubtlessly the local Roman ecclesia. Perhaps we can erickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416250268452940197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-22597529939261945452017-07-06T14:37:20.236+01:002017-07-06T14:37:20.236+01:00A link to one of the inspiring documents:
Pope Fra...A link to one of the inspiring documents:<br /><a href="http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.com/2016/12/pope-francis-moves-to-avignon.html" rel="nofollow">Pope Francis moves to Avignon</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-10392997740343720112015-08-05T21:43:29.061+01:002015-08-05T21:43:29.061+01:00Delightful as always, Father. One thinks of the s...Delightful as always, Father. One thinks of the silver tablets inscribed by Leo III with the text of the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed without the <i>Filioque</i>. <br /><br />On the question of who sent the pallium to Archbishop Chichele, we read in <i>Hierarchia catholica medii aevi</i> (vol. 1, p. 163), that it was John XXIII who provided him to Canterbury. This work will tell you which Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17809446580681184264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-74175159337980039372015-08-05T21:39:55.678+01:002015-08-05T21:39:55.678+01:00Did Gibbon merely swallow the created legend, I wo...Did Gibbon merely swallow the created legend, I wonder.<br />The Council of Constance certainly had their two minutes of hate with the 'antipope' John XXIII, And the posthumous historical hatchet-job was rather like that of the insecure Tudors on Richard III and the House of York. He was derided with nicknames such as 'the pirate Pope'. One much-repeated story was of Pope John, John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-83005182947478151152015-08-05T14:19:55.270+01:002015-08-05T14:19:55.270+01:00Pope John XXIII was indeed supported by the Englis...Pope John XXIII was indeed supported by the English (as well as the French) so he is the most probable source of the 1414 pallium. From April 1412 until May 1413 he had been in Rome at the Council he had convened. After being forced to flee to Florence, he was able to return to Rome in August 1414, on the death of his enemy Ladislaus of Naples. John left Rome again in October 1414 to attend the John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71605570731252027912015-08-05T03:44:55.532+01:002015-08-05T03:44:55.532+01:00A fun and thought provoking post, Father. Thank yo...A fun and thought provoking post, Father. Thank you.<br /><br />It brings to mind a saying of Saint Robert Bellarmine’s (I don’t think he invented it.) “Papa dubius non est papa”. If I recall correctly, he quoted this while discussing the theological implications of the Schism. <br /><br />Taken to its literal extreme that saying would indicate that for the whole period of the Schism, the Roman Figulushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549064050271896212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-69873990934203546382015-08-05T00:34:54.603+01:002015-08-05T00:34:54.603+01:00I am sure it is coincidence, but it is interesting...I am sure it is coincidence, but it is interesting that Alexander VI is the VIth because Alexander V (Pisan) was taken as the preceding Alexander. So the anomaly you note in in the succession plate has a parallel -- thus far, anyway -- in the numbering of Roman popes. (I think Bellarmine somewhere says that the Council of Pisa is a council neither approved nor disapproved by the Church, which Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698839146562734910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-63678302697006385852015-08-04T15:51:17.624+01:002015-08-04T15:51:17.624+01:00Father,
you may also find of interest P33 of The ...Father,<br /><br />you may also find of interest P33 of The Tablet of 21st May 1910 where John XXIII is clearly listed as Pope. Perhaps there was some 'tidying up' in 1958!motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-32327494320791406752015-08-04T15:36:12.707+01:002015-08-04T15:36:12.707+01:00Father, the following may be of interest.
THE TAB... Father, the following may be of interest.<br /><br />THE TABLET Page 19, 28th May 1910<br />— SIR, —The list of the "Chief Pastors of the Catholic Church in England" in the last number of The Tablet will be of interest to many, readers, and our thanks are due to those who have so carefully prepared it. Moreover we learn with satisfaction that it is proposed to perpetuate the list by motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-34058346659877786082015-08-04T12:14:30.333+01:002015-08-04T12:14:30.333+01:00Dear Father, I have assembled the following from s...Dear Father, I have assembled the following from secondary sources, no doubt you have access to better documentation.<br />In July 1405 Chichele was sent by Henry IV to the new Roman Pope Innocent VII, who was professing his desire to end the schism in the papacy by resignation, if his French rival at Avignon would do likewise. In 1406 Chichele was one of the English envoys sent to Pope Gregory motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.com