tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post6832614468099787996..comments2024-03-28T12:26:03.686+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Why do they hate it? More on Sarahgate.Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88038587149108715332016-07-21T23:12:02.236+01:002016-07-21T23:12:02.236+01:00please do not mention or use V2. Reminds me of my ...please do not mention or use V2. Reminds me of my childhood, in Bristol living nights in an Anderson shelter. V2's dangerous weapons whistling overhead. We beat them then by prayer and we will beat the churchly huns again with prayer especially Numbers 16 verse 28 and followingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-57210025638955629602016-07-21T22:52:32.661+01:002016-07-21T22:52:32.661+01:00Since most of this open opposition began with the ...Since most of this open opposition began with the Vatican clarification of a supposed misinterpretation, I wonder if anyone has managed to identify the misinterpretation itself. Which reporter, blogger or commentator was so confused by the cardinal's proposal that the Vatican press office had to clarify it? Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75508254996631032702016-07-21T21:41:58.192+01:002016-07-21T21:41:58.192+01:00Do those who keep turning this into a generational...Do those who keep turning this into a generational thing (old modernists versus young traddies) realize that Cardinal Sarah is 71 and was ordained in 1969?<br /><br />Augustinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03312388118843132244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-53929525632398369442016-07-21T21:28:28.815+01:002016-07-21T21:28:28.815+01:00Sorry Fr. H, but that is a bit of punt. Or do you...Sorry Fr. H, but that is a bit of punt. Or do you really want think that the wholesale rejection by the west of its liturgical patrimony - a self-immolation - was due to 99.999% of the Latin Rite bishops and clergy working out their adolescent challenges??? Say what? No, to speak of such avoids the real question, and to not ask it means that it will only occur again and again, as is normal Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12833345391579579562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-43352548716544777502016-07-21T21:27:34.913+01:002016-07-21T21:27:34.913+01:00One answer is that "the Vatican" never m...One answer is that "the Vatican" never mandated a change in Orientation. I seem to remember that this was demonstrated in court when the Bishop wanted to reorder Cobh Cathedral a few years ago "in accordance with Vatican II" and the planning authorities threw it out after Alcuin Reid explained the facts to them. Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-60530040091861706372016-07-21T19:27:16.559+01:002016-07-21T19:27:16.559+01:00This well meaning initiative by Cardinal Sarah beg...This well meaning initiative by Cardinal Sarah begs the question: If the Vatican got wrong something as basic as the priest orientation, what else did they get wrong in the novus ordo mass??Rguerrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12728888760297233544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59427435368977523292016-07-21T18:16:53.545+01:002016-07-21T18:16:53.545+01:00I have not been able to express it as well myself,...I have not been able to express it as well myself, Father, but I have had thoughts along the same lines: that the people pushing the progressive agenda within the Church basically have not grown in wisdom over the course of their lives and are stuck, emotionally and mentally, in their glory days of being anti-establishment. As a person in my mid-60s, I see this as particularly sad. But, reality Elizabeth Vannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11949100465108908119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75529462287165741162016-07-21T17:04:28.891+01:002016-07-21T17:04:28.891+01:00That sounds about right, Fr. Hunwicke. It does se...That sounds about right, Fr. Hunwicke. It does seem likely that fear is what motivates progressives and liberals. Look at the censorship and violent reaction one can see on American college campuses today, simply by inviting a conservative to give a talk. Out come the fascists in angry droves! They will be only too glad to silence the conservative, so fearful are they the dreaded words of Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-56831026023784013422016-07-21T16:25:44.628+01:002016-07-21T16:25:44.628+01:00Amen!So,so true and so,so sad at the same time. Th...Amen!So,so true and so,so sad at the same time. The 1970s shackles still bind so much of our church liturgically, musically and in myriad other ways.Thank God for the Ordinariate and others fighting on among the ruins.<br />Alan tradgardmastarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13116967655904601740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-68744881290717700062016-07-21T16:10:58.590+01:002016-07-21T16:10:58.590+01:00"(T)heir liturgical passions are still tangle..."(T)heir liturgical passions are still tangled up in their adolescent struggles with their now aged hormones."<br /><br />Could not have said it better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-36890394441775782692016-07-21T15:24:26.756+01:002016-07-21T15:24:26.756+01:00Thank you, Father. I think the wise priest's d...Thank you, Father. I think the wise priest's diagnosis is absolutely right and I don't think evrn bsdic training in psychiatry is in any way necessary to reach that conclusion! :) I think that also explains why, in my experience, the irrational hatred over this issue (and anything that in some way makes any kind of mental link with pre-conciliar liturgy/Church - seems to be more intenselyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14258139656128409092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70668172845023806452016-07-21T14:15:44.092+01:002016-07-21T14:15:44.092+01:00If you had tried to figure this out back in the &#...If you had tried to figure this out back in the '60s I imagine the reasons might have differed more from one country to another. I suppose they still may--why are France and the US more receptive to tradition than other countries, etc.? There are historical and sociological reasons behind all that. It was a crisis that was a long time in attaining critical mass, and it took many different mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12847411975641738898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14003475763513377072016-07-21T14:14:29.343+01:002016-07-21T14:14:29.343+01:00The elderly Bishop of Harrogate
To himself was mos...The elderly Bishop of Harrogate<br />To himself was most anxious to arrogate<br />Every choice about gesture,<br />And rubric, and vesture -<br />"For we must put the lid back on Sarahgate!"<br />Ben Whitworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499311491843942923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-38919610392577348932016-07-21T13:28:58.438+01:002016-07-21T13:28:58.438+01:00"Hence, the fuss caused by Sarahgate (am I fi..."Hence, the fuss caused by Sarahgate (am I first with this neologism?)".<br /><br />I think The Duchess of York might demur on that point, Fr.Zephyrinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01179350648709554049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-39764956954850883602016-07-21T13:26:53.216+01:002016-07-21T13:26:53.216+01:00"In other words, their liturgical passions ar..."In other words, their liturgical passions are still tangled up in their adolescent struggles with their now aged hormones."<br /><br />What an absolutely wonderful description of certain Senior Clerics in certain Senior Positions.<br /><br />The best laugh one has had for ages.<br /><br />Well done, Fr, and "Thank You" for the antidote to this month's "Silly Season Zephyrinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01179350648709554049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-45601252849037762452016-07-21T11:55:35.234+01:002016-07-21T11:55:35.234+01:00B XVI clearly had his finger on the pulse during h...B XVI clearly had his finger on the pulse during his visit to these shores. At his final address to the assembled bishops he singled out, recommending that their lordships give them and their pastoral potential particular attention, the two things he knew they all hated viz the Ordinariate and the corrected translation of the Misale Romanum!vetusta ecclesiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09454059029260192711noreply@blogger.com