tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post640588016901381040..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: The current crisis about orthodoxy: what does it all amount to? (1)Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75916837162081022882018-02-07T01:56:12.768+00:002018-02-07T01:56:12.768+00:00The English public school pronunciation is fairly ...The English public school pronunciation is fairly contrived as well, just so y'all know. (Noveritis!) Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40435321476536968172018-02-06T20:55:07.613+00:002018-02-06T20:55:07.613+00:00Alan Herbert, the last MP for Oxford University, a...<i>Alan Herbert, the last MP for Oxford University, argued very amusingly in several of his spoof legal cases that the police should not be doing such things, whether the officers are Catholic or not. He regarded such entrapment as unBritish and immoral.</i><br /><br />And so, generally speaking, does the law in Britain, which takes a much stricter view of entrapment than does that of the U.S.A. Sir Watkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02000106556898498656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-3340941965566690682018-02-06T18:43:30.401+00:002018-02-06T18:43:30.401+00:00Westminster School has a special dispensation to s...Westminster School has a special dispensation to sing prayers in Latin, on the grounds that it is in this caseca language perfectly « understanded of the people ». It is still pronounced as it was before the 19th century got its hands on it. Thus: Lie-beret noss ay maylow.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06898075304618107198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-37846187154387314022018-02-06T14:08:02.040+00:002018-02-06T14:08:02.040+00:00Liam Ronan said:
"I have a friend who was onc...Liam Ronan said:<br />"I have a friend who was once a police officer and did undercover work in the vice squad. Members of the unit would have to sample cocaine from drug dealers or patronize 'massage' parlors and 'cat houses' in order to obtain sufficient evidence to make arrests for narcotics trafficking or prostitution or 'lewd and lascivious' behavior."<br />RichardThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16761130714944237699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40314939641499514252018-02-06T13:56:44.868+00:002018-02-06T13:56:44.868+00:00I think Fr Hunwicke may be confusing one view of h...I think Fr Hunwicke may be confusing one view of how you might pronounce malum, ie a classicist view, with ecckesiasticL Latin.Cherubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10998294374027724557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19757816482273428782018-02-06T13:34:28.908+00:002018-02-06T13:34:28.908+00:00It is NOT PRONOUNCED “Moluccan”! It is “mahlum”, ...It is NOT PRONOUNCED “Moluccan”! It is “mahlum”, the same with “malo” in the Lord’s Prayer. In the more than 20 years I have been a member of the Pontifical Academy for Life I have never heard anyone pronounce “malum “ in the way you suggest. Ecclesiastical Latin follows the Italian pronunciation with some variations in particular countries. It is simply risible to advise such a pronunciation.Cherubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10998294374027724557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-31124995927765863902018-02-05T11:25:29.469+00:002018-02-05T11:25:29.469+00:00Ah, but when Latin is pronounced more Romano (of w...Ah, but when Latin is pronounced <i>more Romano</i> (of which Pius XI in 1928 said that he had "the keenest desire that all bishops in every nation shall endeavour to adopt it when carrying out the liturgical ceremonies") the length of a vowel (as it is in Italian) is governed solely by whether the syllable containing it is stressed or unstressed. Thus the nominative and ablative Sir Watkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02000106556898498656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-8108452672238350102018-02-05T04:53:16.460+00:002018-02-05T04:53:16.460+00:00You may never do evil so that good may follow. Je...You may never do evil so that good may follow. Jesus' temptation in the desert: to bring about his kingdom using evil means.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01198856128213307540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-2118127257241846662018-02-04T23:25:55.224+00:002018-02-04T23:25:55.224+00:00Incidentally, my aforementioned undercover police ...Incidentally, my aforementioned undercover police officer friend was expected to repeatedly lie to drug traffickers, et. al. insofar as it was infinitely healthier to conceal his real identity and intent.Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-86014612684310669642018-02-04T22:47:48.284+00:002018-02-04T22:47:48.284+00:00I have a friend who was once a police officer and ...I have a friend who was once a police officer and did undercover work in the vice squad. Members of the unit would have to sample cocaine from drug dealers or patronize 'massage' parlors and 'cat houses' in order to obtain sufficient evidence to make arrests for narcotics trafficking or prostitution or 'lewd and lascivious' behavior.<br /><br />Would a Catholic police Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-84573323357980194662018-02-04T22:14:46.643+00:002018-02-04T22:14:46.643+00:00I'm not a Latinist, but some liturgical books ...I'm not a Latinist, but some liturgical books from 1960 and prior, have set rules how to pronounce Latin. It's basically Italian all the way. They way I have been taught Latin in school was ugly. "Kee-ke-ro" and "Kay-sar". Disgusting. I like "Chi-che-ro" and "Che-sar" much better. The German way of pronouncing Latin feels like the language is being Randolph Cranehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16696593312319487318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-78893767511293036312018-02-04T22:08:58.280+00:002018-02-04T22:08:58.280+00:00Dear Reverend Father,
Perhaps you know this alrea...Dear Reverend Father,<br /><br />Perhaps you know this already, but one feels obliged to inform all the same. Certain readers have complained before, that Facebbok does not allow one to post or link from this blog. Well it appears the same applies for Google plus. I posted a link to this blog, it was removed, to my suprise. I tried again and immeadiately a solemn warning from the great mammon Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15161007761537545209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9687872847341807222018-02-04T22:05:13.038+00:002018-02-04T22:05:13.038+00:00Does that mean that what I feel for Bergoglio is m...Does that mean that what I feel for Bergoglio is mulice?Fr. VFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14879996737991671701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-28644165383166046012018-02-04T19:47:39.377+00:002018-02-04T19:47:39.377+00:00To be fair, I think the theory about the Bond nove...To be fair, I think the theory about the Bond novels being intentional allegories of battles against each of the Seven Deadly Sins has been pretty well proven. But neither Spenser nor Fleming was a Doctor of the Church, nor did they mean to be -- even if they followed St. Prudentius' lead.<br /><br />Bond was portrayed as trying to be good, but also as a great sinner and a bit of a sociopath.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-47266547391717422382018-02-04T18:52:56.961+00:002018-02-04T18:52:56.961+00:00Though my Moral Theology studies were in the 60s, ...Though my Moral Theology studies were in the 60s, I was fortunate to have more orthodox teachers than the one you quote. These used earlier theologians and their writings including the Fathers and Doctors of the Church and, more recently, Noldin and Jone rather than Schillebeeckx and Rahner.<br /><br />However, I would quibble on the pronunciation of <i>malum</i> being more influenced by Italian GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-32268367227242224612018-02-04T18:04:19.386+00:002018-02-04T18:04:19.386+00:00So it's 'sed libera nos a 'mulo'? ...So it's 'sed libera nos a 'mulo'? A slight lengthening of the vowel would have us be delivered from the mule. Latin was always pronounced according to the standards of the language in current use; this still applies in the liturgical Latin of Italy and Germany. Do Italians make much of a distinction between short and long 'a's, particularly when singing?<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44871435260118552212018-02-04T15:03:55.080+00:002018-02-04T15:03:55.080+00:00Malum in se bye byeMalum in se bye byeMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-56369324789388358772018-02-04T14:45:32.082+00:002018-02-04T14:45:32.082+00:00So according to Cardinal Marx we are to celebrate ...So according to Cardinal Marx we are to celebrate sodomy and I suppose any other sins 'of the flesh' that previously were 'intrinsically evil"? Seems this new theology has also caught on in California and in certain areas of Canada.We are liberated!!<br />Pontiacprincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14441740023646585710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26707611056896449412018-02-04T12:06:07.675+00:002018-02-04T12:06:07.675+00:00Exactly. Thanks for the Latin pronunciation I now ...Exactly. Thanks for the Latin pronunciation I now know I've saying wrong. Probably safer to say it in english.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09140244586477682905noreply@blogger.com