tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post5506712038319735893..comments2024-03-28T22:56:16.016+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Dixit et loquitur: the Reformation and the Mass (2)Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44782424546818557122017-02-01T18:56:01.570+00:002017-02-01T18:56:01.570+00:00I feel embarrassed, amidst all these erudite comme...I feel embarrassed, amidst all these erudite comments, to contribute a tiny point of correction, but for the benefit of those minded to follow Fr Hunwicke's recommendation and seek out Philip Hughes' book, its title is actually 'Rome and the Counter-Reformation in England' (Burns Oates, 1942). I propose now to follow it myself, but don't have far to seek as the book has beenCPRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413838928798867843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14552346131853045182017-01-30T21:22:45.392+00:002017-01-30T21:22:45.392+00:00Dear Father, 'The Order of Melchisedech : A De...Dear Father, 'The Order of Melchisedech : A Defence of the Catholic Priesthood', by Michael Davis, is well worth reading.The sedevacantists' use of Apostolicae Curae is clearly faulty.A priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16797191481732018463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-65075541319659425952017-01-29T13:46:27.534+00:002017-01-29T13:46:27.534+00:00"Taking it a little further: it is not surpri..."Taking it a little further: it is not surprising that sedevacantist writers invoke Apostolicae Curae in their attacks on 'post-conciliar orders'."<br /><br />Indeed. In fact, we are all awaiting the forthcoming publication of a new work by a rather well-known sedevacantist writer, tentatively titled, "An Examination of the Ordination Rites Promulgated by Paul VI, AccordingPaul Goingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06479425203740052841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-42727246923767308602017-01-29T10:34:10.838+00:002017-01-29T10:34:10.838+00:00Agree 1000% !
Why do we as poor Catholic faithful...Agree 1000% !<br /><br />Why do we as poor Catholic faithful have to suffer the squandering of our Catholic endowment by men like Bugnini, who Fr. Louis Bouyer knew only too well, and described him as "a man as devoid of culture as he was of basic honesty."<br /><br />Since the election of the new Bugnini, the church, which ought to be a refuge, is now like a prison.Christopher Boegelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14162023841937939481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-22502893302239951122017-01-29T09:48:48.155+00:002017-01-29T09:48:48.155+00:00Mr Wauck: You have (you usually do have) a point. ...Mr Wauck: You have (you usually do have) a point. Taking it a little further: it is not surprising that sedevacantist writers invoke Apostolicae Curae in their attacks on 'post-conciliar orders'. <br /><br />To be honest, I do feel that Cardinal Vaughan was able to contrive that Leo's decision swerved away from the central points of the Church's teaching on sacramental validity inFr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24834717002931017192017-01-29T04:56:21.336+00:002017-01-29T04:56:21.336+00:00There are parallels between Bugnini and Bergoglio&...There are parallels between Bugnini and Bergoglio's. Look at all the inventions and distortions Bugnini imposed like weasel using Vatican II as a pretext. Bergoglio's also has his agenda which he will use his position to impose. What is it in their Machivellian approach then drives them and we seek to justify the abuse after the fact. Why do we accept and excuse an abusive authority John Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705606458418222924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-38178691251861541202017-01-28T15:03:47.320+00:002017-01-28T15:03:47.320+00:00I certainly agree with the core of what you're...I certainly agree with the core of what you're saying, and I paraphrase:<br /><br />"Now, as then, both sides are starting from false premises."<br /><br />"One must think back behind the point when no one was sure what a 'real bishop' or a 'real Eucharist' was/is."<br /><br />I also agree with what I believe you've been saying all along: that the mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12847411975641738898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-17826842050545972352017-01-28T12:22:26.795+00:002017-01-28T12:22:26.795+00:00In the light of all this muddle and confusion, the...In the light of all this muddle and confusion, then, in principle it seems prudent and pragmatic to act in relation to Anglican Orders in the way Pope Leo XIII chose to. The grandiose 'null and void' of 19th century quasi-imperial triumphalism would be expressed in more nuanced terms today but the conclusion would be the same.<br />What you are saying is that the forensic reconsitution ofAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40220094109553885302017-01-28T12:21:56.444+00:002017-01-28T12:21:56.444+00:00In the light of all this muddle and confusion, the...In the light of all this muddle and confusion, then, in principle it seems prudent and pragmatic to act in relation to Anglican Orders in the way Pope Leo XIII chose to. The grandiose 'null and void' of 19th century quasi-imperial triumphalism would be expressed in more nuanced terms today but the conclusion would be the same.<br />What you are saying is that the forensic reconsitution ofAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-66005940960656433702017-01-28T11:30:18.139+00:002017-01-28T11:30:18.139+00:00I suggest you read English Reformations by Christo...I suggest you read English Reformations by Christopher Haigh. Elizabeth from her Coronation repudiated the Catholic Faith. Why she insulted the monks of Westminster who greeted her at her Coronation and these were English. King Philip of Spain and England had a claim to the English throne. The Spaniards following the sufferings they endured under Moslem invasion and occupation valued the Faith. John Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705606458418222924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-39797004093741627642009-01-15T20:47:00.000+00:002009-01-15T20:47:00.000+00:00Good question. The Canterbury Convocation in 1559...Good question. The Canterbury Convocation in 1559 "meant" to retain the Mass, reject the Royal Supremacy and uphold papal authority. The next Convocation, in 1562, produced the 39 Articles, and fell just a few votes short of endorsing a desire to abolish all vestments, end kneeling at communion. What it "meant" to do, if anything, is not evident to me.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-58114662136078879312009-01-15T18:13:00.000+00:002009-01-15T18:13:00.000+00:00I wonder what Dix means by "the Church of England ...I wonder what Dix means by "the Church of England as such"? He says it meant to have real bishops and priests and meant to have a "real Eucharist". In the context of Elizabeth's first few years was it the newly appointed bishops, the Parliament, or the Queen? Decisions seem to have been made by royal authority or legislation.Independenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08199774656279385253noreply@blogger.com