tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post5415251060809423354..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: CONCILIAR ELEPHANTS and SSPXFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75248657726954949792009-09-01T09:13:51.517+01:002009-09-01T09:13:51.517+01:00The SSPX does a service when it criticises Vatican...The SSPX does a service when it criticises Vatican II, but fails to realise that many of the same criticisms can be levelled at Trent and Vatican I. It is time that both the latter were subjected to thorough historial examination. Perhaps the increased interest in Newman will at least lead to increased study of Vatican I and especially those who were unhappy about its definitions. Abbot Butler&#Independenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08199774656279385253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-2328157960557455552009-08-31T22:42:23.488+01:002009-08-31T22:42:23.488+01:00For the Orthodox, the fact that we have never had ...For the Orthodox, the fact that <i>we have never had a Council which went properly into the theology of Ecumenical Councils</i> is not a bug, but a feature. Contrary to what some folks think, an ecumenical council is not an element of the Orthodox Church's polity which corresponds to the Papacy in the Catholic Church's polity. The Orthodox Church has <i>no equivalent</i> to the Papacy:Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67143437732708008752009-08-31T22:33:02.744+01:002009-08-31T22:33:02.744+01:00Ecumenical Councils are perilous affairs, and ther...Ecumenical Councils are perilous affairs, and there always seems to be a crisis period afterwards. I say ''period,'' but that could well be indefinate (as is the case with Chalcedon and the Monophysites and Eutychians). There has to be some ''balance'' between ''papalism'' and ''concilarism.'' In order to get what I'd want (Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-69973268866900065222009-08-31T15:09:23.491+01:002009-08-31T15:09:23.491+01:00I don't think one can draw up a "general ...I don't think one can draw up a "general theory" of Ecumenical councils, any more than one can draw up a "general theory" of the Petrine Ministry, and for the same reason: no human being can know all the possible needs for it in the future.<br /><br />Could St. Cyprian have imagined that Constantine would be the one to invoke Nicaea? Could Aquinas have known about the Michael McDonoughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384055883425252489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-27124923522350115592009-08-31T12:51:04.222+01:002009-08-31T12:51:04.222+01:00Ah, the hyperbole of Trent! "This is the fai...Ah, the hyperbole of Trent! "This is the faith of Blessed Peter." Hubris. You can spasm all you want about it Christian, but it really is just a load of silliness. God bless you though, I needed a laugh this morning.<br /><br />Sure enough Father, the final analysis leaves us with neither Councils nor Popes as absolutely authoritative. The Church, like politics, is local, local, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71413686563157266362009-08-31T11:41:37.451+01:002009-08-31T11:41:37.451+01:00Perhaps unsurprisingly my favourite text from any ...Perhaps unsurprisingly my favourite text from any Council are the very last words of Trent:<br /><br />Cardinal Lorraine: We all thus believe; we all think the very same ; we all, consenting and embracing them, subscribe. This is the faith of blessed Peter, and of the apostles: this is the faith of the Fathers: This is the faith of the Orthodox.<br /><br />Answer: Thus we believe; thus we think; Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12813595031543071453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-16153000897154919952009-08-31T11:23:46.990+01:002009-08-31T11:23:46.990+01:00Whatever happened to provincial councils in Cathol...Whatever happened to provincial councils in Catholicism, or Orthodoxy? In the East, the Bethlehem (Jerusalem?) Council of 1672 (as you asked, why wasn't it Ecumenical anyway, all the Orthodox were there) is the last one I recall quoted - Ott refers to it - and in the West, I think the last provincial councils of any note (for doctrine, not matters of discipline) were mediƦval. <br /><br />Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.com