tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post456138488610842037..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: BouyerFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29234875950514343142020-09-10T13:14:15.739+01:002020-09-10T13:14:15.739+01:00Dear Father. As has been so often the case, ABS le...Dear Father. As has been so often the case, ABS leaped directly into an historical error when he claimed that pews were a protestant innovation.<br /><br />They were not<br /><br />https://regionalfurnituresociety.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/church-furniture-in-medieval-english-and-welsh-parish-churches-charles-tracy.pdfMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87239936978080647782020-09-10T05:56:31.616+01:002020-09-10T05:56:31.616+01:00Re: asking God to take one's will -- I presume...Re: asking God to take one's will -- I presume you have no objection to St. Ignatius Loyola's "Suscipe" prayer. And yes, he did pray, "Take up and receive, O Lord, all my liberty. Accept my memory, my understanding, and my will. Whatever I have and possess is what You granted to me. I restore all to You, and I surrender it to be governed according to your will. Give me onlyBansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-7947787197045239492020-09-09T13:58:49.998+01:002020-09-09T13:58:49.998+01:00Dear S.B. Studio.
But what about the poor trads b...Dear S.B. Studio.<br /><br />But what about the poor trads back in the day who lamented the rupture with the past represented by the pew progressives (pews were of protestant origin) to say nothing about (p. 85 Volume I) the novelty of the reception of The Holy Eucharist on the tongue, <i>The particles are no longer handed to the people (The particles are hardly suited to this) but are laid on Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-52481033853232444852020-09-08T09:16:34.937+01:002020-09-08T09:16:34.937+01:00Dear Father,
The situation described by the ubiqui...Dear Father,<br />The situation described by the ubiquitous commenter "Amateur Brain Surgeon" respecting the posture and disposition of the Faithful during the Canon of the Mass, is one of those snippets of information which produces gratitude that the Early Church is no longer with us.The Saint Bede Studiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02694483852852112838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-30724379367272665312020-09-07T23:02:52.951+01:002020-09-07T23:02:52.951+01:00Was there no lie Bugnini did not tell to get what ...Was there no lie Bugnini did not tell to get what he wanted? The desacralization of the Immemorial Mass to the disastrous banality we have today. May a dewfall of acid be his reward.Matthew F Klukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04315970978087291635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67969724924614609422020-09-07T18:33:20.786+01:002020-09-07T18:33:20.786+01:00Dear Father. Long ago, can't remember on what ...Dear Father. Long ago, can't remember on what Blog, ABS pointed out that on page 166 of volume two, Jungmann the Jebbie observed that for the first thousand years of Christianity (Catholicism) the posture was standing for the Canon and then averred <i>That the circum is not to be construed as though the faithful had ever completely surrounded the altar. Rather, the picture intended is what Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9935025064672279042020-09-07T18:30:20.090+01:002020-09-07T18:30:20.090+01:00"Haec ergo dona, quaesumus, Spiritus tui rore...<i>"Haec ergo dona, quaesumus, Spiritus tui rore sanctifica."</i><br /><br />Literally, that would mean "These gifts, therefore, we beseech thee, sanctify with the dew of thy Spirit".Gaiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13683100808581061355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-30912713918942632792020-09-07T17:27:51.317+01:002020-09-07T17:27:51.317+01:00Can anyone serious---aside from inveterate clerica...Can anyone serious---aside from inveterate clericalists---believe and maintain that a product as defective and from such a murky genesis as the Novus Ordo Missae is the will of God for His Church and for the salvation of souls (that first duty and purpose of the Church to begin with)? Every fiber of my being tells me the answer to this pertinent question is "no"---all canonical, coradcorloquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125381369456761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-27530324453629476392015-09-26T16:32:20.412+01:002015-09-26T16:32:20.412+01:00It is an allusion to the Manna in the desert which...It is an allusion to the Manna in the desert which was formed with morning dew.Fr PJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597780307057121375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49133094890321058792015-07-27T15:23:06.105+01:002015-07-27T15:23:06.105+01:00Bouyer is interesting indeed.Bouyer is interesting indeed.Jhf884https://www.blogger.com/profile/05795891820161590492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1069593350618696162015-07-24T12:27:59.202+01:002015-07-24T12:27:59.202+01:00Re: Mike Hurcum
That line is from a different hymn...Re: Mike Hurcum<br />That line is from a different hymn, though often sung to the same tune, 'Lord of all power'- words by Jack Winslow.motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-77990788398998884802015-07-23T22:43:45.522+01:002015-07-23T22:43:45.522+01:00Father,
Not at all. Whets the appetite!Father,<br /><br />Not at all. Whets the appetite!Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704084481833856022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-13334738731217541412015-07-23T21:45:28.036+01:002015-07-23T21:45:28.036+01:00I see the mention of lord of all hopefullness. Dre...I see the mention of lord of all hopefullness. Dreadful hymn do we not also sing in this horrible plantain, "I give you my will?" Absolute heresy: God gave us free will He cannot take it back. He will not take it back periodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1136990491600946252015-07-23T21:10:09.848+01:002015-07-23T21:10:09.848+01:00ROS roris. m. Humor, qui serena nocte in plantis c...ROS roris. m. Humor, qui serena nocte in plantis colligitur<br /><br />RORALIS e. Adj. Ovid. Fast. 4, 28 de lustratione in sacris, Virgaque rorales laurea misit aquas. <br /><br />RORIFER era, erum. Adj. Aura rorifera Senec. Hippol. v. 11. Biga Lunae rorifera Stat. Theb. 1, 338. Umbris roriferis terram nox obruit Lucret. 6, 864.<br /><br />RORIFLUUS a, um. Rorifluam sectemur carmine lunam Vetus Andreas Meszaroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08427763145710882785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-3233199074122652015-07-23T18:10:41.829+01:002015-07-23T18:10:41.829+01:00Sorry, Sean. I am technologically challenged, and ...Sorry, Sean. I am technologically challenged, and sometimes, when I've drafted a piece intending to 'bank' it for future use, I accidentally prod the wrong button so that it briefly enters the readable world before, a few seconds later, I manage to drag it back under wraps. Sorry about that!Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33997653265745407362015-07-23T16:47:02.105+01:002015-07-23T16:47:02.105+01:00Father, I do read your blog daily. I've notice...Father, I do read your blog daily. I've noticed, though, that some of your entries will appear (partially) in my feed reader, but are not accessible by going to your website directly. Today I can see that your two entries from yesterday as well as your entry from today (Isis Regina and Cardinal Ravasi 2) do not appear. I am certain I will benefit from reading if only I could find them.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704084481833856022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-74345972469936926332015-07-23T14:01:41.962+01:002015-07-23T14:01:41.962+01:00Jungmann's book (in two volumes) is marvellous...Jungmann's book (in two volumes) is marvellous; I am always dipping into it. Gihr I have consulted, and I would say it is trustworthy.Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-66316652611296726902015-07-23T12:45:13.623+01:002015-07-23T12:45:13.623+01:00Don't forget Geoffrey Willis's posthumousl...<br />Don't forget Geoffrey Willis's posthumously-published (1994) little book:<br /><br />http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=willis&sts=t&tn=history+of+early+roman<br /><br />which is as delightful in style, as it is in substance (even if inclined to give a little too much credence to Pseudo-Hippolytus).William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-76637663112606695752015-07-23T12:24:54.010+01:002015-07-23T12:24:54.010+01:00"Pour upon them the continual dew of thy bles..."Pour upon them the continual dew of thy blessing" - Book of Common Prayer.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-53640702567628557842015-06-05T16:34:07.937+01:002015-06-05T16:34:07.937+01:00Dear K
Fortescue is seriously flawed because he i...Dear K<br /><br />Fortescue is seriously flawed because he is fighting the battles, picking over the talking points, of a century ago. Jungmann is different; his book is a veritable treasury of facts about the Roman Rite. It is basic for anybody serious about the Roman Rite. It has not been superseded because, firstly, it is so encyclopedic; secondly, because, soon after it was published and the Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-3482222535456751892015-06-05T15:03:31.886+01:002015-06-05T15:03:31.886+01:00Fr. Hunwicke,
Sorry to dig up an old comment ...Fr. Hunwicke,<br /><br /> Sorry to dig up an old comment thread, but Bouyer mentions "archaeologising wildly and at random" in general and the pseudo-Roman pseudo-Anaphora of pseudo-Hippolytus specifically. It strikes me that, in many late nineteenth through mid twentieth century works of the Liturgical Movement and various presumptive reformers, a lot of very confident KaeseEshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07163030641791132729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-46604842872066373032015-04-28T01:26:28.550+01:002015-04-28T01:26:28.550+01:00Perhaps it was intended to refer in an oblique way...Perhaps it was intended to refer in an oblique way to "rorate caeli desuper...", bedew, o heavens, from above..., from Isaiah 45:8.Figulushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549064050271896212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-41397259505765457082015-04-26T04:25:16.679+01:002015-04-26T04:25:16.679+01:00Yes, dewfall was nonexistent in earlier translatio...Yes, dewfall was nonexistent in earlier translations, but whence its origin to begin with? Not that I'm a scholar, but I do try to pay attention and show up with some regularity, and yet I've never heard or read any reference in eastern liturgics comparing the Holy Spirit to the dewfall. Did these blokes just make it up in their cozy Roman tavernas?Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12833345391579579562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-85574030660624479422015-04-25T14:18:14.114+01:002015-04-25T14:18:14.114+01:00'Morning has broken' -- of course it was E...'Morning has broken' -- of course it was Eleanor Farjeon and not 'Jan Struther', who gave us 'Lord of all hopefulness'; both, however, came to popularity through their inclusion in Percy Dearmer's S of P. The word 'dewfall' did indeed already exist, but I would be very surprised if it had made an earlier appearance in liturgical or para-liturgical texts.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06908070025869221948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-73475116181055805782015-04-25T11:42:54.160+01:002015-04-25T11:42:54.160+01:00What do you mean by "only just recently?"...What do you mean by "only just recently?" It has been there in the Latin text all along, although obscured by the quondam official translation.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.com