tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post4393946301160586891..comments2024-03-28T14:19:53.973+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Unique?Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-50202774296536706162009-12-26T20:15:44.034+00:002009-12-26T20:15:44.034+00:00Now, a thurible-carrier is a thurifer, and a cross...Now, a thurible-carrier is a thurifer, and a cross-bearer is a crucifer, and a candle-bearer is a cerifer; so is a flabellum-wallah a flabellifer?Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-17996894400944323812009-12-26T14:36:10.501+00:002009-12-26T14:36:10.501+00:00Come to think of it, a few flies, (after all they ...Come to think of it, a few flies, (after all they are creatures of God whatever the Manicheans may have said, as Augustine, In Ioannis Ev, 1, 14 tells us, tongue-in-cheek), would be a small price to pay to be able to be left in peace by the Enlightened and Protestants! <br /><br />And flabella/ripidia make even that price bearable. As to where they should be stored, I leave that to the clergy (orMichael McDonoughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384055883425252489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-88679629096400595062009-12-26T14:08:04.813+00:002009-12-26T14:08:04.813+00:00England may not have flies, but Scotland has midge...England may not have flies, but Scotland has midges. We'll tak 'em of ye!Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605146531776846589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21165248255885323812009-12-26T14:03:52.598+00:002009-12-26T14:03:52.598+00:00"We were an entirely Enlightenment-free and P..."We were an entirely Enlightenment-free and Protestantism-free zone."<br /><br />What a luxuriant existence!Michael McDonoughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384055883425252489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-89832966309487475252009-12-26T13:42:02.117+00:002009-12-26T13:42:02.117+00:00"Is England ever afflicted by flies?"
Th..."Is England ever afflicted by flies?"<br />They can be a nuisance round the chalice. Haven't strainers been part of the altar equipment at times, to deal with the flies that got past the first defences?Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-34279888746211330992009-12-26T11:17:25.980+00:002009-12-26T11:17:25.980+00:00I would hang on to them in the event of further AG...I would hang on to them in the event of further AGW. Perhaps you can get a government grant for their maintenance. If so, make sure Mrs Hunwicke or anyone from the parish doesn't leak details of the scam on the internet.Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67301916216330198022009-12-26T10:47:16.170+00:002009-12-26T10:47:16.170+00:00Bring them back easy via the ladies! Turn off the...Bring them back easy via the ladies! Turn off the AC, let the ladies heat up a bit - start to 'glisten' - and the flagella (I mean flabella) will spontaneously appear.<br /><br />I can make no claim to the Mallalam language but all three Masses here were from the Missale Romanum, 1950 Desclee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-57122387913363781412009-12-26T00:21:21.954+00:002009-12-26T00:21:21.954+00:00Of course good Bp Hildebert was alluding to the wo...Of course good Bp Hildebert was alluding to the words of St John Baptist (St Matt. iii, 12; St Luke iii, 17) about Our Lord, Who shall with winnowing fan separate the wheat from the chaff.Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-6486942921680492662009-12-25T23:47:14.605+00:002009-12-25T23:47:14.605+00:00Some more mystical reasons for the liturgical fan:...Some more mystical reasons for the liturgical fan:<br /><br />"it will be necessary for the supervenient assaults of temptations against the Catholic faith to be driven away as with a winnowing-fork from the mind of the sacrificers" (Bp Hildebert of Tours);<br /><br />the deacons who fan the altar demonstrate thereby the greatness of the Body laid thereon, just as when the great die, Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-58244946192770038162009-12-25T23:14:32.572+00:002009-12-25T23:14:32.572+00:00My abject apologies for writing flabellæ [sic] abo...My abject apologies for writing <i>flabellæ</i> [sic] above; I misread <i>flabella</i> as singular, whereas of course it is the plural of <i>flabellum</i>. I only came to Latin very late...<br /><br />****<br /><br />I think the NLM featured photographs of such fans being used at Malta, past and present...<br /><br />As I mentioned earlier, A. A. King gives the following details about the use ofJoshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14332181659737329002009-12-25T20:41:43.797+00:002009-12-25T20:41:43.797+00:00@ Joshua:
Actually both the Dominicans of Valletta...@ Joshua:<br />Actually both the Dominicans of Valletta and Vittoriosa as the Carmelites of Valletta still use the flabellae in their Patronal procession. They are carried just behind the Prior Provincial as he carries the relic. They were never used in the Corpus Procession.<br />They were still used at the Patronal during Pontifical or Prelatical Mass in the 70's. A server stood at the Fr Ivan D Aquilinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14270373758808070200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-83212307498767981712009-12-25T20:08:34.469+00:002009-12-25T20:08:34.469+00:00The Dominicans in Malta were using flabellæ at Hig...The Dominicans in Malta were using flabellæ at High Mass right down to the time of the Council...<br /><br />It's provided for somewhere in the good friars' liturgical books - Fr H, look up Archdale Arthur King's Liturgies of the Religious Orders, no doubt on your bedside table.<br /><br />And everyone knows that the Dominican Rite was the closest surviving Use to the Sarum. (Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-65064390986857676142009-12-25T18:50:04.253+00:002009-12-25T18:50:04.253+00:00Perhaps the annual Lawn Tennis (aka Doubles) Mass ...Perhaps the annual Lawn Tennis (aka Doubles) Mass at Wimbledon?Священник селаhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08182325210748920363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-68018610405707144562009-12-25T18:19:04.260+00:002009-12-25T18:19:04.260+00:00Ummm... they fell out of use in the Roman rite, Fa...Ummm... they fell out of use in the Roman rite, Father. Unless you convince the current or future Holy Fathers to bring back triple tiaras, seda gestatoria, etc... <br /><br />You could always use them in some kind of Corpus Christi procession!? After all, they intended to keep away insects from the Sacred Species and from the Priest...<br /><br />It would also agree with the Orthodox use, to Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605146531776846589noreply@blogger.com