tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post3263425533694933251..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Summorum PontificumFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1381221850626091572016-12-21T17:44:17.716+00:002016-12-21T17:44:17.716+00:00The SSPX and anyone with eyes can see the Traditio...The SSPX and anyone with eyes can see the Traditional Rite still exists in an Indult shadow world. Some dioceses will have multiple daily TLM offered throughout, with others perhaps weekly, many monthly, quite a few not at all. Dioceses with supportive ordinaries (say Dublin where I live and was born) had diocesan TLM before Summorum Pontificum (St Audeon's and St Kevin's churches). The Prayerfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01561992635589480308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14240372193577813182016-12-21T01:20:55.043+00:002016-12-21T01:20:55.043+00:00"not least by providing a refuge of incardina..."not least by providing a refuge of incardination"<br /><br />Father,isn't that rather exciting possibility precisely the reason why such a clause would not be granted to the SSPX during the current pontificate? <br />Bishop Fellay seems so far to have played a blinder - and I say that as one who has no connection at all with the SSPX, but regards them with sympathy.<br />If it is John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-6791355215334207352016-12-20T16:55:32.519+00:002016-12-20T16:55:32.519+00:00You can certainly receive communion and confession...You can certainly receive communion and confession in one (only the usual requirements applying). The other sacraments - marriage & confirmation of children, particularly - typically depend on formal membership in the Ordinariate. A cradle Catholic *can* become an Ordinariate member but only if they have never been confirmed - that is a provision aimed at cradle (baptized) Catholics who endedAthelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-85055261107335198492016-12-20T16:44:51.233+00:002016-12-20T16:44:51.233+00:00The problem of remarriage and communion is opportu...The problem of remarriage and communion is opportune for debate in a way in which (say) religious liberty and ecumenism are not. We have a new document, generating immediate and grave pastoral issues and division.<br /><br />Whereas the opportune time to fight battles on ecumenism and religious liberty really was in 1964-65 (note how long it took Archbp. Lefebvre to send dubia on any of this). Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-46831815659553103792016-12-20T15:25:13.815+00:002016-12-20T15:25:13.815+00:00Here's an article that dates back to Summorum ...Here's an article that dates back to Summorum Pontificum, which raises the issue of Lefebvre's Dubia in a general and enlightening way, providing valuable context: <a rel="nofollow">Rome-SSPX: Background to the Doctrinal Discussions</a>mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12847411975641738898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-78170917542092181582016-12-20T14:00:21.039+00:002016-12-20T14:00:21.039+00:00Collin wrote: "Four Cardinals, and others, ha...Collin wrote: "Four Cardinals, and others, have been quite diligent in addressing the ambiguity of Amoris Laetitia, but not so much in addressing the ambiguities of the documents of VII and subsequent Vatican documents"<br /><br />The case of AL was rather straightforward. The four Cardinals' dubia address texts that currently cause controversy outside the trad ghetto, even among Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-31456951512001616522016-12-20T08:10:56.134+00:002016-12-20T08:10:56.134+00:00I'm afraid I can tell you why Burke has been s...I'm afraid I can tell you why Burke has been selective. He is an American.<br /><br />Unless there is a radical change of secular political context, Rome would be foolish to recognise the SSPX.<br /><br />A Trump presidency following on from Brexit and then a Le Pen presidency in France might have ushered in the changes necessary. The first two projects are already in trouble and the latter Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-61477177326142663492016-12-20T05:59:09.789+00:002016-12-20T05:59:09.789+00:00PS: The dubia are not limited to issues involving...PS: The dubia are not limited to issues involving marriage and divorce/remarriage. In fact, the dubia go right to the heart of basic Christian truth. Indeed, they are very craftily worded and do not exclusively address the possibility that the Pope might be a heretic. Depending on answers given, they could expose the Pope as an apostate.<br /><br />Thus the desperate need for the Pope to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-74872063899467158682016-12-20T05:49:28.712+00:002016-12-20T05:49:28.712+00:00Colin: I live in a region with a large population...Colin: I live in a region with a large population of SSPX and there is also a large FSSP parish presence of which I am a member. <br /><br />I think the issues you bring up are worthy of note by all the bishops, especially those like Cardinal Burke who are favorable toward the Extraordinary Form. Indeed, why SHOULDN'T the questions you {and Lefebvre} raise be answered? Which, given that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-89081768062484506032016-12-20T04:33:54.345+00:002016-12-20T04:33:54.345+00:00Thank you so much, Fr. Hunwicke! This SSPX friend ...Thank you so much, Fr. Hunwicke! This SSPX friend of many years is so moved by your comment. I pray the same.Mary Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15177771196355631149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71495928758775489582016-12-20T00:21:48.228+00:002016-12-20T00:21:48.228+00:00Can any catholic cradle or otherwise be welcome in...Can any catholic cradle or otherwise be welcome in an ordinariate parish Fr Huniwicke. Is there some Latin reason it is not to be so???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70817926811695735012016-12-19T16:32:34.699+00:002016-12-19T16:32:34.699+00:00The SSPX set a puzzle I cannot solve. On every poi...The SSPX set a puzzle I cannot solve. On every point, bar one, where they differ from the mainstream, they are right and the mainstream is wrong. They have correctly identified all the main causes of the collapse of Catholicism in the west, and they show clearly the only possible road to recovery.<br />The problem is, in so doing, they have stepped outside the barque of Peter. I cannot. I must Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01824005176362146901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-31413065895575805242016-12-19T15:39:47.479+00:002016-12-19T15:39:47.479+00:00The petition may be found here: http://www.dici.or...The petition may be found here: http://www.dici.org/en/documents/petition-to-pope-benedict-xvi-for-a-more-in-depth-examination-of-the-second-ecumenical-vatican-council/<br />Woodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08910654300435533408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-48106160385974852312016-12-19T15:36:27.053+00:002016-12-19T15:36:27.053+00:00@collin, without looking back to the details, I re...@collin, without looking back to the details, I recall that a petition to Pope Benedict was signed by a number of impressive scholars, including Msgrs Gherardini and Livi, and Prof. DeMattei, asking for clarification of a number of ambiguities in the VII documents, of which the three mentioned were I am sure a part. So far as I can recall, no answer was received.Woodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08910654300435533408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29268838848996153212016-12-19T14:59:33.207+00:002016-12-19T14:59:33.207+00:00Here is a link where part of the CDF's respons...Here is a link where part of the CDF's response to Archbishop Lefebvre's dubia can be found:<br /><br />http://stomachosus-thomistarum.blogspot.com/2015/02/msgr-leferbve-and-cdf-certain-dubia.html<br /><br />The fact that the CDF declined to actually answer the dubia, instead setting up its own meta-dubia and replying to those, is troubling - but not as troubling as the content of the Cordeliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05525559170043594697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14765244635791334052016-12-19T14:32:33.285+00:002016-12-19T14:32:33.285+00:00Off topic but the sad news is that Austen Ivereigh...Off topic but the sad news is that Austen Ivereigh has finally lost his marbles. See:<br /><br />https://cruxnow.com/analysis/2016/12/16/francis-80-redeemed-leader-looks-like/<br /><br />He reveals that Pope Francis is a Peronist politician on the model of Fidel Castro.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-54059852507271172802016-12-19T13:44:18.894+00:002016-12-19T13:44:18.894+00:00Having been taken in for so many years by the vili...Having been taken in for so many years by the vilification of SSPX, Catholics are now learning the hard way where Ultramontanism leads.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12847411975641738898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49402724286821892112016-12-19T13:29:23.120+00:002016-12-19T13:29:23.120+00:00Father, Bravo!Father, Bravo!Sixupmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486627001579821658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-21765733708597464162016-12-19T12:35:58.606+00:002016-12-19T12:35:58.606+00:00The Spider and the Fly
“Will you walk into my par...The Spider and the Fly<br /><br />“Will you walk into my parlour?” said the Spider to the Fly,<br /> 'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;<br /> The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,<br /> And I've a many curious things to show when you are there.”<br /><br />“Oh no, no,” said the little Fly, “to ask me is in vain,<br /> For who goes up your winding stair<brLiam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-59148263302322366582016-12-19T12:13:51.743+00:002016-12-19T12:13:51.743+00:00Apparently Abp. Lefebvre issued his own dubia conc...Apparently Abp. Lefebvre issued his own <i>dubia</i> concerning the Church's teaching on religious liberty:<br /><br /><i>In 1985, Archbishop Lefebvre submitted his dubia to Rome: thirty-nine propositions, or “doubts” concerning the discrepancies between the conciliar doctrine on religious liberty and the previous teaching of the Church.<br /><br />...<br /><br />In March 1987, he received Collinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974873930004661878noreply@blogger.com